The Official 2011/2012 Armchair GM thread

[maplesyrup]

Noticed Stewart only had 7:25 toi in the game last night, don't think he's hurt... might be pry-able...

Maybe you don't need to deal Kulemin for him. Maybe Mac + a little something gets it done?

Lupul / ? / Kessel
JVR / Grabo / Stewart or Kulemin or Kadri
Frattin / Bozak or UFA or trade / Stewart or Kulemin or Kadri
UFA / Steckel / Brown

Looking at this, maybe a combination of Kadri or Kulemin + Bozak + the #5 pick lands us a #1 center? - A guy like Duchene maybe?

Or, maybe we keep Bozak in the #1 spot and send Kadri or Kulemin + another pick or prospect for Staal?

 

[Corn Flake]

Clowe or Stewart for the #2/#3 winger job. 

Man, I'd love Clowe but I say no chance in H. E. Double hockey sticks the Sharks trade him. He's just so valuable to that team.

But look at the state the Sharks are in right now.  If you put yourself in the shoes of their fans or management, are you not thinking they are long overdue for some serious change?  They have to do something... something big this offseason to shake that team up.  It's been 5-6 years with that core and they have gotten nothing done.  They look like as a group to be declining, not getting better.  They barely made the playoffs.

They aren't going to be able to move Marleau or Havlat. Thornton has the huge deal and is unlikely to move.  Couture and Burns are probably the core of the future, so where do they start looking to make some bigger dents? Some of the secondary veteran core would be where I would look. Maybe they need a new leader. 

Anyway, all stuff I think they will be asking themselves in very short order.  I do believe it will free up at least 1-2 of their better forwards.  Clowe could be one of those changes.

 

[Corn Flake]

for what it would take for the Sharks to trade Clowe, we'd need to play him in Goal, first line Center and every pair on defence.

They'd be more inclined to trade Marleau and Thornton before him, I wholeheartedly believe that.  Even if they rebuild, Clowe will stick around because he plays his role perfectly.

Maybe Thornton but I don't think they can move Marleau on his contract.  It's big.  Real big.

They have to shake that team up. I just don't see Thornton being the fall guy as the hole created up the middle would be gigantic. 

 

[maplesyrup]

But look at the state the Sharks are in right now.  If you put yourself in the shoes of their fans or management, are you not thinking they are long overdue for some serious change?  They have to do something... something big this offseason to shake that team up.  It's been 5-6 years with that core and they have gotten nothing done.  They look like as a group to be declining, not getting better.  They barely made the playoffs.

They aren't going to be able to move Marleau or Havlat. Thornton has the huge deal and is unlikely to move.  Couture and Burns are probably the core of the future, so where do they start looking to make some bigger dents? Some of the secondary veteran core would be where I would look. Maybe they need a new leader. 

Anyway, all stuff I think they will be asking themselves in very short order.  I do believe it will free up at least 1-2 of their better forwards.  Clowe could be one of those changes.

I think Clowe is a big part of their heart and soul (sorry for the cliche) and I don't think Marleau is immovable (apart from his NMC.) In fact, I wouldn't mind him either.     

 

[Tigger]

Maybe you don't need to deal Kulemin for him. Maybe Mac + a little something gets it done?

That would be preferable to me, if Kulemin can be used to get a big bodied centre ( like Staal or whoever ) and slide another big hard checking winger in some other deal.

Actually I'd like to get another winger like him, the centre and keep Kulemin but I'm greedy like that...

 

[sampson]

Exciting intel! So, Schenn for JVR. Maybe Kulemin for Stewart. Mac for who knows? JVR/Grabo/Stewart or Kulemin. There's your bigger more skilled second line right there!

Very cool intel, ErnDog... no doubt this will spread like wildfire in short order.

Though maybe we can make a tlmfans pact keep it to ourselves? Loose lips and all...

I think we know at this point that a lot of the media are on here, some scavenging for stories/angles.

Interesting info Ernie, I trust your friend is the reliable sort.

I'd probably try and get a pick out of them too just because of JVR's injury issues.

Where's this Intel post?

 

[Erndog]

Exciting intel! So, Schenn for JVR. Maybe Kulemin for Stewart. Mac for who knows? JVR/Grabo/Stewart or Kulemin. There's your bigger more skilled second line right there!

Very cool intel, ErnDog... no doubt this will spread like wildfire in short order.

Though maybe we can make a tlmfans pact keep it to ourselves? Loose lips and all...

I think we know at this point that a lot of the media are on here, some scavenging for stories/angles.

Interesting info Ernie, I trust your friend is the reliable sort.

I'd probably try and get a pick out of them too just because of JVR's injury issues.

Where's this Intel post?

I initially posted it but then chose to delete it.

It's not necessary that everyone knows the details and I thought better of it.  But at the end of the day it looks like there is a fairly decent chance the Leafs will acquire JVR this summer.

 

[lc9]

I initially posted it but then chose to delete it.

It's not necessary that everyone knows the details and I thought better of it.  But at the end of the day it looks like there is a fairly decent chance the Leafs will acquire JVR this summer.

Poor form.

 

[maplesyrup]

Yeah, I think Ern wisely chose to cover his tush but it sounds like a really good chance this gets done. Sounds like the deal was basically agreed to but somehow Burke and Holmgren just decided to through it on the backburner and complete the transaction at a later date.

 

[AvroArrow]

Where's this Intel post?

Good, I wasn't the only one who was confused.  ;D

 

[Etiam Vultus]

Yeah, I think Ern wisely chose to cover his tush but it sounds like a really good chance this gets done. Sounds like the deal was basically agreed to but somehow Burke and Holmgren just decided to through it on the backburner and complete the transaction at a later date.

It would be pretty difficult to announce it now when JVR is expected to dress tonight against the Penguins.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Regarding San Jose, a Lupul-Thornton-Kessel line would be ridiculous. I don't think they move him though.

 

[bustaheims]

I really have my doubts that Holmgren (or any GM, for that matter) would tell their player that detailed information about a trade that hasn't been finalized, knowing how easily these things fall apart or how quickly other things can come up. I'm nto saying JvR didn't say what Ern's friend says he said - there's been rumblings about him expecting it to happen since the rumours broke - just that I'm thoroughly unconvinced he knows anything that specific about any potential deals his GM may be discussing/considering.

 

[Bender]

I don't want to see Schenn go for that but Kipper is not on the decline, far from it, his numbers were fantastic this year.

True, and he's not dangerously old - we had Belfour at much older. But there are options that are far younger than himself that would solve our goaltending problems for a decade rather than a few years.

 

[Tigger]

I initially posted it but then chose to delete it.

I didn't want to say anything but it seemed like a private conversation that was probably better left off the thread, though juicy, good call.

 

[maplesyrup]

I really have my doubts that Holmgren (or any GM, for that matter) would tell their player that detailed information about a trade that hasn't been finalized, knowing how easily these things fall apart or how quickly other things can come up. I'm nto saying JvR didn't say what Ern's friend says he said - there's been rumblings about him expecting it to happen since the rumours broke - just that I'm thoroughly unconvinced he knows anything that specific about any potential deals his GM may be discussing/considering.

True, though JVR is obviously much closer to the situation then anyone outside say, Burke and Holmgren. He may know something without really knowing, you know? (says Chrissy Snow.)  ??? 

 

[bustaheims]

True, though JVR is obviously much closer to the situation then anyone outside say, Burke and Holmgren. He may know something without really knowing, you know? (says Chrissy Snow.)  ???

He's closer than most of us, sure, but, at the same time, I'm not convinced he really knows all that much more about what's going on than the rest of us. It just really flies in the face of everything we've seen/heard/read about trades in the past. I mean, knowing where you're going and who you're going to be traded for months before it goes down? That just doesn't happen.

I'm not saying it's not gonna happen this way, just that these statements from JvR don't me feel it's any more likely than it was when the rumours first broke.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I really can't see the Leafs getting a Stewart or Clowe. Stewart might be available, but I don't think we have anything to entice St. Louis. With that said, would anybody be a little interested in Dustin Penner? I know he's coming off an awful season, but on a cheap 1 or 2 year deal I would totally be all for him. Even if he's just a third line guy at the right price his size would be worth it alone considering the lack of that in our bottom-6.

 

[bustaheims]

I really can't see the Leafs getting a Stewart or Clowe. Stewart might be available, but I don't think we have anything to entice St. Louis. With that said, would anybody be a little interested in Dustin Penner? I know he's coming off an awful season, but on a cheap 1 or 2 year deal I would totally be all for him. Even if he's just a third line guy at the right price his size would be worth it alone considering the lack of that in our bottom-6.

If they can get him for $1.5M or less on a one year deal, he could certainly make for an interesting addition to the 3rd line. The biggest issue is that, for a big guy, he's not particularly physical and he's not great defensively, so, for me, he'd be well done the list of potential additions.

 

[princedpw]

I really can't see the Leafs getting a Stewart or Clowe. Stewart might be available, but I don't think we have anything to entice St. Louis. With that said, would anybody be a little interested in Dustin Penner? I know he's coming off an awful season, but on a cheap 1 or 2 year deal I would totally be all for him. Even if he's just a third line guy at the right price his size would be worth it alone considering the lack of that in our bottom-6.

If they can get him for $1.5M or less on a one year deal, he could certainly make for an interesting addition to the 3rd line. The biggest issue is that, for a big guy, he's not particularly physical and he's not great defensively, so, for me, he'd be well done the list of potential additions.

Is Penner any better than Armstrong (who is good defensively)?