If Phaneuf does bring back some sort of value Lou owes Jake a gift basket.
The trade deadline and the ostensibly perplexing Phaneuf issue
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If Phaneuf does bring back some sort of value Lou owes Jake a gift basket.
WhatIfGodWasALeaf
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Alright, excel spreadsheet time ya dorks.
Who has the cap space, playoff race need and willingness to eat the remainder of his contract?
Who has the cap space, playoff race need and willingness to eat the remainder of his contract?
Highlander
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The reality is under the right structure Phanuef is not half as bad he is portrayed to be. Yes under Carlyle and the other "coaches" the Captain was expected to be superman and carry the team on his back. He looked horrid at times and just bad the rest of the time.
Now under Babs we see Phanuef playing in the right context, still making his share of bonehead plays, getting blown by faster younger skaters, perhaps way to much PP time, but overall he has been much steadier. Worth his huge fee? Of course not, but their are teams that could see value in him for their playoff push. Perhaps we take back a bad contract or perhaps we won't have to retain to much of his pay.
Now under Babs we see Phanuef playing in the right context, still making his share of bonehead plays, getting blown by faster younger skaters, perhaps way to much PP time, but overall he has been much steadier. Worth his huge fee? Of course not, but their are teams that could see value in him for their playoff push. Perhaps we take back a bad contract or perhaps we won't have to retain to much of his pay.
GhostofPotvin29
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Patrick said:
Okay I did one and it determined that Byron Froese isn't that good.
WhatIfGodWasALeaf
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Potvin29 said:
He'd have been good under Ron Wilson according to mine.
Patrick said:
Detroit and Dallas were two teams he's been linked to in the past year. The Wings bought out Stephen Weiss though so they don't have any long-terms they regret right now. That'll make things tough unless the Leafs eat salary.
The Stars certainly aren't afraid to make big moves. Lehtonen is on the books for 2 more seasons after this one at $5.9mil and their 1a/1b system has become more of a traditional model with Niemi getting the majority of the starts. Maybe something like Phaneuf and Reimer for Lehtonen + something? They can still have their 2-goalie system and they can try to re-sign Reimer to a more reasonable deal than Kari's.
edit: I mean, nevermind.
Heroic Shrimp
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CarltonTheBear said:
Lol @ edit.
louisstamos
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Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:A whole bunch of us doubted he would get traded in this thread....
30 minutes before he was traded.
louisstamos said:30 minutes before he was traded.
To his credit, Dreger even brought up Ottawa after McKenzie's tweet.
x.jr.benchwarmer
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hobarth said:x.jr.benchwarmer said:hobarth said:x.jr.benchwarmer said:CarltonTheBear said:
Certainly the term "must-move" is a subjective one, depending on the necessity of getting rid of his contract or his mistakes (again the idiotic pinch in the first minute of the game against Ottawa), etc.
By all accounts, he seems to be a classy guy, who is good to the young players.
But, really, is he going to be any better in 2 or 3 or 4 years from now? Can the Leafs expect to get anything at all in the future for him, especially if his skating inevitably declines because of age, talent, etc. etc.?
I suggest that it certainly is incumbent on the GM to explore options including trying to trade him now, instead of, say, focusing on seat eligibility for the team's charters, and to ensure that the employees can no longer talk to the media.
So are you saying that teams shouldn't be signing players of 27, 28 years old to long term contracts because performance declines are inevitable?
Yes you are correct (Mr. Noonis).
Are you saying TO should only keep players until they're 25 or 26 or 27 then let them walk or trade them?
I think that I am saying that TO should,
ahh, try to ahh,
move up in the draft like when we got Schenn, and hmm...
there is also the internet thing to consider and...
2 first rounders for uhh... Stempniak and...
(Good heavens, I was having a Cliffie Fletcher flashback moment there).
Mr. Fletcher's position on 27 year old players, as well as mine, are fundamentally irrelevant to the Leafs direction, IMHO. But I would suggest that it might be premised on bona fide talent, which of Dion didn't really have over the last 6 years. And how about that Phaneuf trade now!!!!! Yesss!!!