The Walking Dead (S6)
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Tigger said:
Yeah - that episode went from HOLY S**T TO BULL S**T at about the 3/4 mark. For spoiler reasons I won't
detail all the reasons why but there's quite a few.
As stupid as this may sound, one of the things I've always appreciated about the writing on TWD was the "plausibility"
of things that occur in that "situation" could actually occur - normal illness and death still leads to becoming a Walker,
Walkers surprising a group, etc etc
But last night's episode last 15-20 min bordered on cartoonish. (ironic as it's based on a comic book...)
I'll still happily watch and enjoy it but they have to stay away from things they did last night.
I'll try to respond to this without spooling too much, but I don't know how successful I'll be.
The walkers are like the weather. Think of the show as taking place in a world where it hurricanes constantly, but instead of droplets of water and strong winds, it's flesh eating zombies. The walkers are just the environment. The point of the last 10-15 minutes was to highlight that, and to show that the characters, old and new, have adapted or are beginning to adapt to it. The show has always been about the people, good and bad.
The walkers are like the weather. Think of the show as taking place in a world where it hurricanes constantly, but instead of droplets of water and strong winds, it's flesh eating zombies. The walkers are just the environment. The point of the last 10-15 minutes was to highlight that, and to show that the characters, old and new, have adapted or are beginning to adapt to it. The show has always been about the people, good and bad.
Split off from the TV thread, so spoilers should be assumed from anyone coming in.
The AV Club's review of the episode was titled "The Walking Dead returns and everything works out for everyone" and I just assumed they were being sarcastic, but aside from that one family it's spot-on. The first half of the season left off with everything thinking Daryl & co. were screwed with the bikers and that Rick & crew were screwed with the walkers. This episode at least accomplished the goal of getting everyone back together and almost restarting everything.
When Rick went out on his one-man wrecking crew I definitely rolled my eyes. They've basically made him out to be super-human. I thought for sure at least one of the non-main crew were going to die in that, but nope. Ah well, teaches them the benefits of working together I guess.
It sure was convenient to have Daryl and them return just in the nick of time, but I mean that's television I guess.
The AV Club's review of the episode was titled "The Walking Dead returns and everything works out for everyone" and I just assumed they were being sarcastic, but aside from that one family it's spot-on. The first half of the season left off with everything thinking Daryl & co. were screwed with the bikers and that Rick & crew were screwed with the walkers. This episode at least accomplished the goal of getting everyone back together and almost restarting everything.
When Rick went out on his one-man wrecking crew I definitely rolled my eyes. They've basically made him out to be super-human. I thought for sure at least one of the non-main crew were going to die in that, but nope. Ah well, teaches them the benefits of working together I guess.
It sure was convenient to have Daryl and them return just in the nick of time, but I mean that's television I guess.
Everyone would have eventually got tired killing that many walkers. It definitely requires you to stretch the limits of your imagination but it's all about how much dramatic licence you're willing to extend in a show about zombies.
Daryl's rocket launcher rescue was pretty obvious. They found that rocket launcher for a reason, and it wasn't for a 4th of July celebration.
Daryl's rocket launcher rescue was pretty obvious. They found that rocket launcher for a reason, and it wasn't for a 4th of July celebration.
CarltonTheBear said:
Yeah, there was a touch of ex machina, but, the whole thing, until the flaming water and automatic weapons, was done with knives and stuff, quiet, not attracting walkers with loud attention, well except for Glen and that was kind of his point ( his arc is likely going to end this season, I think they're ramping that up a bit with fakes and the like, talk about 'who we remember makes us relevant to the present', yadda.) It's not difficult to believe that Rick ( his character, etc. ) would go out to defend Carl like that, and a crew of motivated experienced alive people could cut a swath like that, but yeah he probably should have died in the reality of the situation, or some of them, whatever.
If you follow the original source this wasn't unexpected, and, there will be some hubris coming down the pike. The Negan storyline is pretty gruesome. The 'Rick's girlfriend and family dies' business, was pretty convincing. In the end, it's tv, with a narrower focus and shorter attention spans, more opulence and immediacy, I thought it was pretty fierce regardless.
Well based on the ability to not worry about spoilers, here I go with this episode...
And I fully realize I am talking about a "zombie apocalypse :
: and I have not read the comics.
I also apologize for not knowing all the character names...
Daryl's scene was great. I had forgotten about the rocket launcher until a few seconds after the explosion..
The issues started with the last scene in Alexandria prior to the mid-season break. The group was leaving the house, covered
in gore and were just a few yards from the porch when the kid starts calling out "Mom? Mom?" etc. When they came
back to this scene this episode, that MAJOR issue just disappeared. WTH?
When Carl was shot "in the eye", you've got to assume he's dead. I mean he's shot in the eye fer crying out loud!. I watched
the fan-boy after-show "The Talking Dead" (where NO criticism is ever allowed) and the director stated that the bullet hit on the
side of Carl's eye. and fragments of either bone or bullet (can't recall which) went into the eye and the bullet ricocheted
off.
So..Ok I can live with that.
Then Rick goes Superman and takes on the massive horde of zombies. By himself. My issue is in previous circumstances in this show that just never works. They soon overwhelm the person in sheer volume. It was very cartoonish. A major issue for me. Then the rest of the Alexandria residents apparently are able to get it together and not only attack but they all survive. Again - never happens. To me as well, the edited scene of them all chopping away was B movie style (that's just my own impression).
Then the priest is to take the child to the church but Glenn suddenly shows up and locks the church door. But the priest never appears at the church but rather in another home suddenly - continuity...?? I had read that TWD producers had planned to
"revive" Glenn in a later show, even perhaps the S6 cliffhanger ending but the uproar was so great they brought him back
sooner than planned - and his scenes have seemed out of sync with what else is happening in the storyline.
Then Maggie is trapped on a platform that is being shaken. The girl is able to get up the wall and walk on a platform attached to the wall towards Maggie. Why didn't Maggie just step off the shaking platform onto this wall platform? :
Finally...leaving aside the fact that having gas in that tanker is so incredibly preposterous by this stage of the Apocalypse
Abraham shows up and is able to pick off Zombies that were quite literally on top of Glenn without hitting or wounding Glenn?
Listen, I know most of you may think that "WTH, it's a fantasy show, shut up and roll with it"...but the greatest thing to me
about this show is (suspending belief on the premise) is that they are so good at presenting such "realistic" circumstances
that could occur in this environment.
That's why I was so disappointed in the last 15-20 minutes of this episode and the continuity errors. I still think the
show is great and will certainly watch it but I hope they improve the writing/plots/plausibility.
Rant over...I picked the wrong week to stop taking Quaalude's.....
And I fully realize I am talking about a "zombie apocalypse :
: and I have not read the comics.I also apologize for not knowing all the character names...
Daryl's scene was great. I had forgotten about the rocket launcher until a few seconds after the explosion..
The issues started with the last scene in Alexandria prior to the mid-season break. The group was leaving the house, covered
in gore and were just a few yards from the porch when the kid starts calling out "Mom? Mom?" etc. When they came
back to this scene this episode, that MAJOR issue just disappeared. WTH?
When Carl was shot "in the eye", you've got to assume he's dead. I mean he's shot in the eye fer crying out loud!. I watched
the fan-boy after-show "The Talking Dead" (where NO criticism is ever allowed) and the director stated that the bullet hit on the
side of Carl's eye. and fragments of either bone or bullet (can't recall which) went into the eye and the bullet ricocheted
off.
So..Ok I can live with that.
Then Rick goes Superman and takes on the massive horde of zombies. By himself. My issue is in previous circumstances in this show that just never works. They soon overwhelm the person in sheer volume. It was very cartoonish. A major issue for me. Then the rest of the Alexandria residents apparently are able to get it together and not only attack but they all survive. Again - never happens. To me as well, the edited scene of them all chopping away was B movie style (that's just my own impression).
Then the priest is to take the child to the church but Glenn suddenly shows up and locks the church door. But the priest never appears at the church but rather in another home suddenly - continuity...?? I had read that TWD producers had planned to
"revive" Glenn in a later show, even perhaps the S6 cliffhanger ending but the uproar was so great they brought him back
sooner than planned - and his scenes have seemed out of sync with what else is happening in the storyline.
Then Maggie is trapped on a platform that is being shaken. The girl is able to get up the wall and walk on a platform attached to the wall towards Maggie. Why didn't Maggie just step off the shaking platform onto this wall platform? :
Finally...leaving aside the fact that having gas in that tanker is so incredibly preposterous by this stage of the Apocalypse
Abraham shows up and is able to pick off Zombies that were quite literally on top of Glenn without hitting or wounding Glenn?
Listen, I know most of you may think that "WTH, it's a fantasy show, shut up and roll with it"...but the greatest thing to me
about this show is (suspending belief on the premise) is that they are so good at presenting such "realistic" circumstances
that could occur in this environment.
That's why I was so disappointed in the last 15-20 minutes of this episode and the continuity errors. I still think the
show is great and will certainly watch it but I hope they improve the writing/plots/plausibility.
Rant over...I picked the wrong week to stop taking Quaalude's.....
bustaheims
Active member
lamajama said:
Carl getting shot in the eye comes straight out of the comics, so, there's going to be some leeway in terms of realistic portrayal there.
lamajama said:
Different churches. Glenn was in one outside the walls. The priest was in the makeshift church in one of the houses inside.
lamajama said:
That scene was one of the weirdest things I've seen on the show. Didn't fit anything I've seen them do before.
Bullfrog said:
For a second I thought it was part of a dream sequence and the show was going to cut to everybody actually being dead.
bustaheims
Active member
lamajama said:
That seems really unlikely. They would have had the episodes filmed and edited long before there was any uproar about Glenn maybe being dead. That sounds more like someone out there trying to justify the show making a decision they disagreed with.
Boston Leaf
New member
i loved the episode. Leaves me wanting more this week
McGarnagle
New member
I've watched this pretty religiously since the beginning as a bit of a guilty pleasure, but since Terminus, I'm starting to watch these hovering over the fast forward button. I think I'm officially out.
It's strange that for a series that follows a prewritten set of comics/plots, it sure does seem like they're making it up as they go along.
It's strange that for a series that follows a prewritten set of comics/plots, it sure does seem like they're making it up as they go along.
OldTimeHockey
Active member
There were a couple parts that seemed a little out of sorts from the usual way of shooting things(When the kid lost his cool walking through the zombies seemed like a dream sequence and the fighting when they were all slashing and bashing seemed more like Mortal Kombat or something), but other than that it was pretty enjoyable.