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The whole shootin' match: Kings vs Devils

cw said:
hockeyfan1 said:
From: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2012/06/12/spector_los_angeles_kings_win_first_stanley_cup/

The purple and gold Kings have been hockey's door mat to varying degrees since Jack Kent Cooke bought the team and built the Fabulous Forum. From years of trading away draft picks and prospects in search of the Hollywood quick fix, it was a goaltender named Jonathan Quick - drafted 72nd overall in 2005 - who carried off the Conn Smythe, a metaphor for this California knock-down and rebuild that's been seven years in the making.

This Cup is comfort food for those fans in Toronto and Edmonton, and other places where rebuilds have been undertaken, yet the losing still stings.

It didn't happen fast here. They went through a couple of general managers, a few coaches, and a bunch of expendable veterans while the right young players were drafted or acquired, and then properly groomed.

Quick and Kopitar were drafted in '05. Brown in '03. Doughty in '08.

This was no overnight success, nor was it in Chicago or Pittsburgh, two organizations that undertook the same rebuild and won Stanley Cups six or seven years down the line.

Source: Sportsnet
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Heard Luc Robitaille, now a part of the Kings front office, interviewed last night. He preached that they had a plan, stuck to it and really stressed that they were patient. I thought of Burke when I heard those words ... in a hurry to make the playoffs.
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The 'had a plan, stuck to it' sounds like what Burke's been preaching. The patience part, not so much.
 
RedLeaf said:
cw said:
hockeyfan1 said:
From: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2012/06/12/spector_los_angeles_kings_win_first_stanley_cup/

The purple and gold Kings have been hockey's door mat to varying degrees since Jack Kent Cooke bought the team and built the Fabulous Forum. From years of trading away draft picks and prospects in search of the Hollywood quick fix, it was a goaltender named Jonathan Quick - drafted 72nd overall in 2005 - who carried off the Conn Smythe, a metaphor for this California knock-down and rebuild that's been seven years in the making.

This Cup is comfort food for those fans in Toronto and Edmonton, and other places where rebuilds have been undertaken, yet the losing still stings.

It didn't happen fast here. They went through a couple of general managers, a few coaches, and a bunch of expendable veterans while the right young players were drafted or acquired, and then properly groomed.

Quick and Kopitar were drafted in '05. Brown in '03. Doughty in '08.

This was no overnight success, nor was it in Chicago or Pittsburgh, two organizations that undertook the same rebuild and won Stanley Cups six or seven years down the line.

Source: Sportsnet
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Heard Luc Robitaille, now a part of the Kings front office, interviewed last night. He preached that they had a plan, stuck to it and really stressed that they were patient. I thought of Burke when I heard those words ... in a hurry to make the playoffs.
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The 'had a plan, stuck to it' sounds like what Burke's been preaching. The patience part, not so much.
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Except for the part where LA stockpiled draft picks and you know, kept them and picked good players...and developed them without criticizing them for not being a superstar in their first year.......Naz...
 
Potvin29 said:
When did Burke criticize Kadri for not being a superstar in his first year? Or anything similar to that?
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In my opinion, he didn't.

The difference in this market is they had to answer the media hoard on why their #1 pick was not on the NHL roster. So they did - mainly talking about his need to improve his defense which was and to some extent still is a legitimate concern. What else are they supposed to say? They have to provide some reason to the media in this market.

I think the media is the much bigger problem in this town than anything Burke has ever said about his draft picks. It's been that way for a long time - well before Burke arrived on the scene.
 
Potvin29 said:
cw said:
hockeyfan1 said:
From: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2012/06/12/spector_los_angeles_kings_win_first_stanley_cup/

The purple and gold Kings have been hockey's door mat to varying degrees since Jack Kent Cooke bought the team and built the Fabulous Forum. From years of trading away draft picks and prospects in search of the Hollywood quick fix, it was a goaltender named Jonathan Quick - drafted 72nd overall in 2005 - who carried off the Conn Smythe, a metaphor for this California knock-down and rebuild that's been seven years in the making.

This Cup is comfort food for those fans in Toronto and Edmonton, and other places where rebuilds have been undertaken, yet the losing still stings.

It didn't happen fast here. They went through a couple of general managers, a few coaches, and a bunch of expendable veterans while the right young players were drafted or acquired, and then properly groomed.

Quick and Kopitar were drafted in '05. Brown in '03. Doughty in '08.

This was no overnight success, nor was it in Chicago or Pittsburgh, two organizations that undertook the same rebuild and won Stanley Cups six or seven years down the line.

Source: Sportsnet
Click to expand...

Heard Luc Robitaille, now a part of the Kings front office, interviewed last night. He preached that they had a plan, stuck to it and really stressed that they were patient. I thought of Burke when I heard those words ... in a hurry to make the playoffs.
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You can say that after you win.  :P
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For sure.

And even some of those who are patient aren't guaranteed success. The 199x-2010 Sens as one example did a lot of things right except finding a good starting goalie.

But it seems a pretty common trait among the Cup winners.

None of them have won without some luck either. As good as they were, LA didn't get banged up like the Marlies nor have a game changing call go against them. Some might argue LA had one call go their way last night or that a major was called instead of a minor (though I think they made the right call).

To Burke's credit, he hasn't been grossly impatient. For example, he didn't trade a prospect for a rental at the deadline to try to push them into the playoffs. But I am a little worried this summer that he's under so much pressure, it could sway a key decision.

When a franchise has a lengthy history of futility like the Leafs, patience is a much tougher sell. But often in their past, the lack of patience was a factor in them falling short. When a team is trying to rebuild a prospect system, the past mistakes and years of futility have to be ignored and patience has to be a key ingredient. I hope they remain patient with these kids and the course they are on. It make take longer but I think their chances of a Cup run are much better.
 
RedLeaf said:
cw said:
hockeyfan1 said:
From: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2012/06/12/spector_los_angeles_kings_win_first_stanley_cup/

The purple and gold Kings have been hockey's door mat to varying degrees since Jack Kent Cooke bought the team and built the Fabulous Forum. From years of trading away draft picks and prospects in search of the Hollywood quick fix, it was a goaltender named Jonathan Quick - drafted 72nd overall in 2005 - who carried off the Conn Smythe, a metaphor for this California knock-down and rebuild that's been seven years in the making.

This Cup is comfort food for those fans in Toronto and Edmonton, and other places where rebuilds have been undertaken, yet the losing still stings.

It didn't happen fast here. They went through a couple of general managers, a few coaches, and a bunch of expendable veterans while the right young players were drafted or acquired, and then properly groomed.

Quick and Kopitar were drafted in '05. Brown in '03. Doughty in '08.

This was no overnight success, nor was it in Chicago or Pittsburgh, two organizations that undertook the same rebuild and won Stanley Cups six or seven years down the line.

Source: Sportsnet
Click to expand...

Heard Luc Robitaille, now a part of the Kings front office, interviewed last night. He preached that they had a plan, stuck to it and really stressed that they were patient. I thought of Burke when I heard those words ... in a hurry to make the playoffs.
Click to expand...

The 'had a plan, stuck to it' sounds like what Burke's been preaching. The patience part, not so much.
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Burke has been talking patience for the last 2 years at least.. he wasn't when he first got here but changed his tune I think when his rapid rebuild in the UFA season of 2009 didn't materialize.  The plan to build a young team that grows together and a franchise with all kinds of depth at all levels is what hasn't changed.
 
Corn Flake said:
RedLeaf said:
cw said:
hockeyfan1 said:
From: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2012/06/12/spector_los_angeles_kings_win_first_stanley_cup/

The purple and gold Kings have been hockey's door mat to varying degrees since Jack Kent Cooke bought the team and built the Fabulous Forum. From years of trading away draft picks and prospects in search of the Hollywood quick fix, it was a goaltender named Jonathan Quick - drafted 72nd overall in 2005 - who carried off the Conn Smythe, a metaphor for this California knock-down and rebuild that's been seven years in the making.

This Cup is comfort food for those fans in Toronto and Edmonton, and other places where rebuilds have been undertaken, yet the losing still stings.

It didn't happen fast here. They went through a couple of general managers, a few coaches, and a bunch of expendable veterans while the right young players were drafted or acquired, and then properly groomed.

Quick and Kopitar were drafted in '05. Brown in '03. Doughty in '08.

This was no overnight success, nor was it in Chicago or Pittsburgh, two organizations that undertook the same rebuild and won Stanley Cups six or seven years down the line.

Source: Sportsnet
Click to expand...

Heard Luc Robitaille, now a part of the Kings front office, interviewed last night. He preached that they had a plan, stuck to it and really stressed that they were patient. I thought of Burke when I heard those words ... in a hurry to make the playoffs.
Click to expand...

The 'had a plan, stuck to it' sounds like what Burke's been preaching. The patience part, not so much.
Click to expand...

Burke has been talking patience for the last 2 years at least.. he wasn't when he first got here but changed his tune I think when his rapid rebuild in the UFA season of 2009 didn't materialize.  The plan to build a young team that grows together and a franchise with all kinds of depth at all levels is what hasn't changed.
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And thats the one thing I truly admire about him. He hasn't really gotten off track. He's stuck to his guns for the most part, and now more than ever appears to be ushering in a youth movement in Toronto.

With that being said, I would be extremely surprised if he trades away this years pick in a bundle for someone like Nash or Parise. He might have when he first arrived, but I think his plan has gotten more long term. Hopefully his patience can hold out for a little longer.
 
Taylor Steven's tries to extend her 15 min of fame

Note: not Really SFW.

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/2ef2df334f/tay-s-stanley-cups?ts=1339466468

Be forewarned - you'll probably wish you didn't see this - and I have a
great deal of patience for this... ;)
 
Tom Gulitti ‏@TGfireandice

Deadline has passed, Devils have not notified NHL they are giving up 2012 1st rd pick. So, they're not giving it up this year.
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Interesting. You'd think for sure this would be the year to do it.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Tom Gulitti ‏@TGfireandice

Deadline has passed, Devils have not notified NHL they are giving up 2012 1st rd pick. So, they're not giving it up this year.
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Interesting. You'd think for sure this would be the year to do it.
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29th pick in a weak draft . . . yeah, you'd think this would be the year. I mean, unless they need it for a trade they have lined up.
 
bustaheims said:
CarltonTheBear said:
Tom Gulitti ‏@TGfireandice

Deadline has passed, Devils have not notified NHL they are giving up 2012 1st rd pick. So, they're not giving it up this year.
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Interesting. You'd think for sure this would be the year to do it.
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29th pick in a weak draft . . . yeah, you'd think this would be the year. I mean, unless they need it for a trade they have lined up.
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One theory floating around out there is that the Devils want to select Subban or Vasilevski. That would make some sense then. The Devils could obviously use a top goalie prospect and they might be better off picking one now than waiting a year. Obviously risky though since they could both be gone, but if that's what Lou wants he'll probably be working very hard to trade up and it shouldn't be too hard to do in that area of the draft.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
One theory floating around out there is that the Devils want to select Subban or Vasilevski. That would make some sense then. The Devils could obviously use a top goalie prospect and they might be better off picking one now than waiting a year. Obviously risky though since they could both be gone, but if that's what Lou wants he'll probably be working very hard to trade up and it shouldn't be too hard to do in that area of the draft.
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I guess relying on Wedgewood to develop into the guy is probably not a sound strategy.
 
Re: Stanley Cup Final tv ratings...

http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/47642-Stanley-Cup-finals-television-ratings-down-29-per-cent-from-last-year.html

The Stanley Cup finals' television ratings were down 29 per cent from last year.
The Los Angeles Kings' victory over the New Jersey Devils in six games averaged a 2.2 rating and 4 share on NBC. The 2011 series between the Boston Bruins and Vancouver Canucks, boosted by a Game 7, averaged a 3.1/6.

Viewership was also hurt by going head-to-head against the NBA playoffs, unlike last year. Monday's decisive Game 6 earned a series-high 3.1 rating, down 3 per cent from last season's Game 6.

Ratings measure the percentage of homes with televisions tuned into a program. Shares measure the percentage of all households with TVs in use at the time.
 
I have barely heard a word from anyone about the playoffs.  People that I use to know who could tell you entire NHL team rosters now would have a hard time telling you who was in the finals.  Maybe it was the lack of Canadian teams.
 
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