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Trade Deadline

Strangelove said:
The thing that bugs me most about not moving JVR, besides the fact that he's a one tool guy whose value may be at its peak, is that he may well be a liability in the playoffs. I still recall how abysmal he was defensively against Boston in the first round years back. There's little reason to think that would change this time around, and his puck-tipping skills are not enough to compensate.
We have enough depth to hopefully steer him away from all defensive responsibilities. He plays less then any other of our top 9 forwards. He is very much sheltered. I don't think he will necessarily walk. He has been cast in dream role here and I am sure he is aware.
 
Strangelove said:
The thing that bugs me most about not moving JVR, besides the fact that he's a one tool guy whose value may be at its peak, is that he may well be a liability in the playoffs. I still recall how abysmal he was defensively against Boston in the first round years back. There's little reason to think that would change this time around, and his puck-tipping skills are not enough to compensate.

If there was one tool to have though...

CarltonTheBear said:
With Komarov-Plekanec-x  as a secondary shutdown unit I wouldn't be surprised to see JVR-Bozak-x used more like a 4th line that'll get extra minutes when we're trailing by 2+ goals from here on out, or at least in the playoffs.

This basically. In one move (Plekanec), they've isolated the liability to a single, still highly dangerous line. It's first-line offense with 4th line defense, in 4th line minutes + top-3 PP.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Strangelove said:
The thing that bugs me most about not moving JVR, besides the fact that he's a one tool guy whose value may be at its peak, is that he may well be a liability in the playoffs. I still recall how abysmal he was defensively against Boston in the first round years back. There's little reason to think that would change this time around, and his puck-tipping skills are not enough to compensate.

With Komarov-Plekanec-x  as a secondary shutdown unit I wouldn't be surprised to see JVR-Bozak-x used more like a 4th line that'll get extra minutes when we're trailing by 2+ goals from here on out, or at least in the playoffs.

I agree, though that doesn't excite me much either. Komarov is not the defensive stalwart he once was. Whether it's Komarov's line or Bozak's line, I foresee a lot of time spent in the Leafs' end when those guys are on the ice. But I guess I'll wait to see how much Plekanec can compensate for Leo's weaknesses.
 
WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:
CarltonTheBear said:
Nik the Trik said:
I just do not understand this day from the Leafs' perspective.

I've had a lot of highs and lows in regards to how I feel about the Leafs management with Lou, and today is definitely back to a low.

Yup, they acquire Plekanec and then sit on their hands while our direct rivals load up today.

If they're not adding D they should have been a big-time seller today.

This is bordering on being as bad as Benning in Vancouver.
I'll guess we'll see what happens in the playoffs.  Not every deadline deal works out. I wish the Leafs had unloaded JVR for prospects/picks but it didn't happen so I await and see what they do in the playoffs.
 
I really think this is one year too early to start breaking the bank to go for it.

I too think they should have traded JVR -- that just didn't make sense.  But OTOH I really like our position going into the playoffs.  Absolutely no pressure, and we have enough skill to possibly thread the needle, or at least win a round or two.  Which I would take, this year.  It's progress.

Even if we lose in the 1st, it's not the end of our world.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
I still think this team could take Boston in a 7-game series in the first round. After that though...
One way to get through TB and BOS is to finish first have them play each other. Wouldn't have to play either until probably the conference final. The winner to TB vs BOS could even endup against PIT in the second round. Dream scenario.
 
If it goes to game 7 against Tampa and JVR breaks McDonagh's ankle while driving to the net scoring the series winning goal I'll forgive the non move of not trading JVR
 
herman said:
CarltonTheBear said:
They only have two top-4 defencemen.

We've got two almost 1s, four 4/5s, and an 8.

Let's arbitrarily do a comparison with numbers I'm making up.

League Average D corps
1D: 8 out of 10
2D: 7
3D: 6
4D: 5
5D: 3
6D: 2
Extra: 1

For a total value of: 33

Rielly: 8.5
Gardiner: 8
Zaitsev: 4
Hainsey: 4
Dermott: 5
Carrick: 3.5
Polak: 2

Leafs: 35

Hurray, we're (slightly) above the arbitrary average I made up.
 
Zee said:
If it goes to game 7 against Tampa and JVR breaks McDonagh's ankle while driving to the net scoring the series winning goal I'll forgive the non move of not trading JVR
Not sure why McDonagh needs to break his ankle in this scenario but okay...
 
cabber24 said:
Zee said:
If it goes to game 7 against Tampa and JVR breaks McDonagh's ankle while driving to the net scoring the series winning goal I'll forgive the non move of not trading JVR
Not sure why McDonagh needs to break his ankle in this scenario but okay...

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cabber24 said:
Zee said:
If it goes to game 7 against Tampa and JVR breaks McDonagh's ankle while driving to the net scoring the series winning goal I'll forgive the non move of not trading JVR
Not sure why McDonagh needs to break his ankle in this scenario but okay...

"Breaks Ankle" - means he falls over trying to counter-act the opposing players move.
 
cabber24 said:
Zee said:
If it goes to game 7 against Tampa and JVR breaks McDonagh's ankle while driving to the net scoring the series winning goal I'll forgive the non move of not trading JVR
Not sure why McDonagh needs to break his ankle in this scenario but okay...
I mean in hockey terms, JVR pulls a sick move and McDonagh falls down trying to cover him, not actually breaking his ankle. See Kapanen against Boston on Saturday for an example.


Check out @TheFlintor?s Tweet: https://twitter.com/TheFlintor/status/967573006343008256?s=09
 
Lou said they weren't interested in Green. Interesting.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/nhl-trade-deadline-2018-live-blog-latest-rumours-analysis/
 
Bill_Berg said:
Lou said they weren't interested in Green. Interesting.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/nhl-trade-deadline-2018-live-blog-latest-rumours-analysis/

Green never really made much sense to me. I don't think Babcock would have liked him very much, and it still leaves the team short a penalty-killer (in Babs' eyes).
 
Bill_Berg said:
Lou said they weren't interested in Green. Interesting.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/nhl-trade-deadline-2018-live-blog-latest-rumours-analysis/
Lou is as honest as the driven snow.
 
Zee said:
Bill_Berg said:
Lou said they weren't interested in Green. Interesting.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/nhl-trade-deadline-2018-live-blog-latest-rumours-analysis/
Lou is as honest as the driven snow.
Green has a neck injury so that scared lots of people away. I read somewhere that Green wouldn't come to TO anyway.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Bill_Berg said:
Lou said they weren't interested in Green. Interesting.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/nhl-trade-deadline-2018-live-blog-latest-rumours-analysis/

Green never really made much sense to me. I don't think Babcock would have liked him very much, and it still leaves the team short a penalty-killer (in Babs' eyes).

I was iffy on him, but they just keep playing Polak so...
 
Bill_Berg said:
CarltonTheBear said:
Bill_Berg said:
Lou said they weren't interested in Green. Interesting.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/nhl-trade-deadline-2018-live-blog-latest-rumours-analysis/

Green never really made much sense to me. I don't think Babcock would have liked him very much, and it still leaves the team short a penalty-killer (in Babs' eyes).

I was iffy on him, but they just keep playing Polak so...
No interest in a Green type Dman. We need a defensive minded minute cruncher.
 
I am Ok with everything, getting Plekanec is a great move.
Lets remember the Leafs said they won't trade away their future for a quick fix now. They have lived up to this promise.  We are basically in Year 2 of the 5 year rebuild and have a chance to make it to round 2 of the playoffs and then hot goaltending and some good play by our amazing younguns and our older guys, means anything can happen.
My main concern is getting Matthews healthy as soon as possible.

Glad we didn't trade Johnsson or any of the other Marlies today
 

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