Britishbulldog
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WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:Jesus Christ, I can't believe people want to move Kessel for a somewhat unproven potential first liner.
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WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:Jesus Christ, I can't believe people want to move Kessel for a somewhat unproven potential first liner.
Britishbulldog said:WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:Jesus Christ, I can't believe people want to move Kessel for a somewhat unproven potential first liner.
Praying are we??
;D
WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:Corn Flake said:It's the "unproven" centre but also the potential top 3 1st round pick we are looking at here.
And.. just playing around.
So a raffle ticket and O'Reilly?
I'll take Kessel and his point per game and try and put complimentary pieces beside him.
Champ Kind said:WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:Corn Flake said:It's the "unproven" centre but also the potential top 3 1st round pick we are looking at here.
And.. just playing around.
So a raffle ticket and O'Reilly?
I'll take Kessel and his point per game and try and put complimentary pieces beside him.
That's one heck of a raffle ticket. Sign me up.
*edit: sorry, Rob, you beat me to it.
**edit #2: I think there's a legitimate argument to be made that while Kessel is a great talent and excellent goal-scorer, he himself is a complimentary piece and what the Leafs needs is a foundational-type player
***edit #3 (I promise the last one): Corn, you might be playing around, but I rather like your proposed deal and my initial reaction is that I would seriously it.
Champ Kind said:**edit #2: I think there's a legitimate argument to be made that while Kessel is a great talent and excellent goal-scorer, he himself is a complimentary piece and what the Leafs needs is a foundational-type player
***edit #3 (I promise the last one): Corn, you might be playing around, but I rather like your proposed deal and my initial reaction is that I would seriously it.
Corn Flake said:Champ Kind said:**edit #2: I think there's a legitimate argument to be made that while Kessel is a great talent and excellent goal-scorer, he himself is a complimentary piece and what the Leafs needs is a foundational-type player
***edit #3 (I promise the last one): Corn, you might be playing around, but I rather like your proposed deal and my initial reaction is that I would seriously it.
re: edit 2: this is where my mind is going when I look at Kessel, and Phaneuf for that matter, and my gradual increasing doubt that they are pieces that are foundation and/or that you can acquire foundation pieces around them without using them as trade bait.
re: edit 3: playing around, but I don't think it's that far fetched either. If you can get that 1st line centre in the making, which O'Rielly may very well be, plus a 1st rounder I think (just IMO) is going to be pretty high then it could be about as good a return for Kessel as you can expect.
Champ Kind said:My thinking exactly. I can't help but think there are some parallels between Kessel and Bargnani on the Raptors. Both are very taleneted and play one or semi-demensional games very well. Both are still young guys despite having significant professional experience under their belt. And both are, from the fans perspective, introverted personalities who don't quite seem to give what is expected of them.
With that in mind, would anyone argue that Bargnani is a player the Raptors can build around? In fact, we have evidence (like, the last six years) that suggests otherwise. Now, maybe with Rudy Gay in town Bargnani will prove to be an important piece to the puzzle. But he's not the centrepiece, clearly.
That's how I feel about Kessel. Love his talent, like his goal-scoring ability, but I think the Leafs' best shot at landing a marquee, franchise, cornerstone-type player is by trading Phil Kessel. If Nonis can bring in a Riudy Gay-like player (Getzlaf, for example), then my opinion changes. But barring that needle-in-a-haystack scenario, I think the Leafs need the return for Kessel more than they need Kessel himself.
bustaheims said:Corn Flake said:It's the "unproven" centre but also the potential top 3 1st round pick we are looking at here.
And.. just playing around.
Extremely extremely thin chance there. It's not even a top 5 pick right now, and they'd be adding a 1st line winger and a solid centre to their lineup without taking anything out of it.
TML fan said:I think that every foundation has 4 walls, none more important than the other. I don't think it is possible to build a team, in any sport, around 1 player.
Champ Kind said:TML fan said:I think that every foundation has 4 walls, none more important than the other. I don't think it is possible to build a team, in any sport, around 1 player.
I'm not sure where that was suggested but I agree with you. But I suppose some walls are load bearing and some are not.
Nik Gida said:I'm no engineer but do foundations even have walls? I thought you built a wall on a foundation.
bustaheims said:Nik Gida said:I'm no engineer but do foundations even have walls? I thought you built a wall on a foundation.
That's how I've always understood it.
Champ Kind said:Corn Flake said:Champ Kind said:**edit #2: I think there's a legitimate argument to be made that while Kessel is a great talent and excellent goal-scorer, he himself is a complimentary piece and what the Leafs needs is a foundational-type player
***edit #3 (I promise the last one): Corn, you might be playing around, but I rather like your proposed deal and my initial reaction is that I would seriously it.
re: edit 2: this is where my mind is going when I look at Kessel, and Phaneuf for that matter, and my gradual increasing doubt that they are pieces that are foundation and/or that you can acquire foundation pieces around them without using them as trade bait.
re: edit 3: playing around, but I don't think it's that far fetched either. If you can get that 1st line centre in the making, which O'Rielly may very well be, plus a 1st rounder I think (just IMO) is going to be pretty high then it could be about as good a return for Kessel as you can expect.
My thinking exactly. I can't help but think there are some parallels between Kessel and Bargnani on the Raptors. Both are very taleneted and play one or semi-demensional games very well. Both are still young guys despite having significant professional experience under their belt. And both are, from the fans perspective, introverted personalities who don't quite seem to give what is expected of them.
With that in mind, would anyone argue that Bargnani is a player the Raptors can build around? In fact, we have evidence (like, the last six years) that suggests otherwise. Now, maybe with Rudy Gay in town Bargnani will prove to be an important piece to the puzzle. But he's not the centrepiece, clearly.
That's how I feel about Kessel. Love his talent, like his goal-scoring ability, but I think the Leafs' best shot at landing a marquee, franchise, cornerstone-type player is by trading Phil Kessel. If Nonis can bring in a Riudy Gay-like player (Getzlaf, for example), then my opinion changes. But barring that needle-in-a-haystack scenario, I think the Leafs need the return for Kessel more than they need Kessel himself.
sneakyray said:my guess is that kessel will sign a 5+ year extension this offseason for a little under 6mil per
ie. 5 years 28.75 mil