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Tell me she was at least good looking.Sucker Punch said:
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Britishbulldog
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Significantly Insignificant said:
I really take issue with this but I will keep my feelings about Armstrong and the YouTube videos showing his hits a secret.
BROWN is not reckless, throws clean solid hits and will back up what he does if he has to. Frattin throws thunderous, clean hits and has a superior shot.
hockeyfan1
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From: http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/43990-Campbell-Brian-Burkes-illogical-profighting-stance.html
...he will have paid $4 million to a player who has been, for all intents and purposes, utterly useless as an NHL player. In his 133-game career with the Maple Leafs, Orr has averaged just 6.1 minutes per game in ice time. This season he played just five games and a total of 22 minutes and 24 seconds, roughly what teammates Dion Phaneuf and Carl Gunnarsson play in one game.
Burke?s problem with the lack of fighting is that he thinks it allows gutless pukes to run around the ice elbowing opponents and smashing them from behind without retribution, going so far as saying, ?anyone who has watched the last week and is not a little alarmed has not been paying attention.?
There are a ton of infractions the league has made a suspendable offense this season that would have in the past basically been considered finishing the check or the ubiquitous good hockey play. Now that they?re being punished more frequently and are garnering more attention doesn?t mean they?re happening with any greater regularity than before.
Since the pre-season schedule, Shanahan has brought down a total of 28 suspensions for the following offenses: hitting from behind, checks to the head, highsticking, boarding, charging, kneeing and elbowing. Of those suspensions, 11 of them have come against players such as Andy Sutton, Dan Carcillo, Jody Shelley and Patrick Kaleta - you know, those guys who are supposed to keep their teammates safe out there. You could argue only five suspensions have been imposed on the rats of which Burke speaks, assuming that you put Carcillo and Kaleta in both the fighting and rat camps and define Raffi Torres and Max Pacioretty as rats.
...statement Burke made was that players are now afraid to hit because they?re concerned about being suspended, a development he basically contends will result in the league going to 4-on-4 ringette.
the vast majority of cases, players in this day and age cannot apply a clean, hard, open-ice hit to an opponent without having to answer the bell by fighting one of the aggrieved player?s teammates. Using Burke?s logic when it comes to fighting, wouldn?t that mean nobody would hit anybody because they have to fight every time they do?
...he will have paid $4 million to a player who has been, for all intents and purposes, utterly useless as an NHL player. In his 133-game career with the Maple Leafs, Orr has averaged just 6.1 minutes per game in ice time. This season he played just five games and a total of 22 minutes and 24 seconds, roughly what teammates Dion Phaneuf and Carl Gunnarsson play in one game.
Burke?s problem with the lack of fighting is that he thinks it allows gutless pukes to run around the ice elbowing opponents and smashing them from behind without retribution, going so far as saying, ?anyone who has watched the last week and is not a little alarmed has not been paying attention.?
There are a ton of infractions the league has made a suspendable offense this season that would have in the past basically been considered finishing the check or the ubiquitous good hockey play. Now that they?re being punished more frequently and are garnering more attention doesn?t mean they?re happening with any greater regularity than before.
Since the pre-season schedule, Shanahan has brought down a total of 28 suspensions for the following offenses: hitting from behind, checks to the head, highsticking, boarding, charging, kneeing and elbowing. Of those suspensions, 11 of them have come against players such as Andy Sutton, Dan Carcillo, Jody Shelley and Patrick Kaleta - you know, those guys who are supposed to keep their teammates safe out there. You could argue only five suspensions have been imposed on the rats of which Burke speaks, assuming that you put Carcillo and Kaleta in both the fighting and rat camps and define Raffi Torres and Max Pacioretty as rats.
...statement Burke made was that players are now afraid to hit because they?re concerned about being suspended, a development he basically contends will result in the league going to 4-on-4 ringette.
the vast majority of cases, players in this day and age cannot apply a clean, hard, open-ice hit to an opponent without having to answer the bell by fighting one of the aggrieved player?s teammates. Using Burke?s logic when it comes to fighting, wouldn?t that mean nobody would hit anybody because they have to fight every time they do?
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From: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2012/01/16/spector_toughness/
USA Today did the math on a 25 per cent decline in fighting from last season. Today, staged fights are all but gone. Heavyweights like Colton Orr, Steve MacIntyre, Raitis Ivanans, and Eric Godard are all taking their mail in American Hockey League towns.
But here's the twist: The cost of safety, many believe, is injury. As Burke so famously said on Jan. 5, it is now the rats who are taking over the game.
?That?s the irony of it, right?? began Los Angeles general manager Dean Lombardi. ?That guy who Burkie calls ?The Rat,? we end up protecting him, because he doesn?t have to answer for anything.
?Every one of us has roots in a game where there was an element of self-policing. The physicality. The ability to take care of things by yourself,? said Peter Chiarelli, whose Boston Bruins are the biggest, baddest and best team in the NHL today. ?The trend, rightly or wrongly, is towards the extinction of that fighter.
Bruins winger Shawn Thornton?s name is referenced most often by the GMs we spoke to as the ultimate enforcer of today. Fast, skilled enough to play the game, tough enough to intimidate or exact revenge, smart enough to know when the time is right.
Long gone is the ability for a heavyweight to grab that player and beat him senseless, and watching two heavies fighting each other is seen today as meaningless violence. So the heavy dies off, and Burke?s rat thrives.
?I see that trend,? Chiarelli said. ?In part it is due to the decreasing ability to self-police.
...the toughest player in hockey may now be Zdeno Chara. He?s an annual Norris Trophy candidate, he?s on the ice for nearly half the game, and at 6-foot-9, 255 lbs., he can likely beat the crap out of anyone in the league.
?It is part of what makes him good,? Chiarelli says with pride. ?The ability to defend himself, and beat opponents.
?Even though he doesn?t (fight) often. The threat is always there.?
USA Today did the math on a 25 per cent decline in fighting from last season. Today, staged fights are all but gone. Heavyweights like Colton Orr, Steve MacIntyre, Raitis Ivanans, and Eric Godard are all taking their mail in American Hockey League towns.
But here's the twist: The cost of safety, many believe, is injury. As Burke so famously said on Jan. 5, it is now the rats who are taking over the game.
?That?s the irony of it, right?? began Los Angeles general manager Dean Lombardi. ?That guy who Burkie calls ?The Rat,? we end up protecting him, because he doesn?t have to answer for anything.
?Every one of us has roots in a game where there was an element of self-policing. The physicality. The ability to take care of things by yourself,? said Peter Chiarelli, whose Boston Bruins are the biggest, baddest and best team in the NHL today. ?The trend, rightly or wrongly, is towards the extinction of that fighter.
Bruins winger Shawn Thornton?s name is referenced most often by the GMs we spoke to as the ultimate enforcer of today. Fast, skilled enough to play the game, tough enough to intimidate or exact revenge, smart enough to know when the time is right.
Long gone is the ability for a heavyweight to grab that player and beat him senseless, and watching two heavies fighting each other is seen today as meaningless violence. So the heavy dies off, and Burke?s rat thrives.
?I see that trend,? Chiarelli said. ?In part it is due to the decreasing ability to self-police.
...the toughest player in hockey may now be Zdeno Chara. He?s an annual Norris Trophy candidate, he?s on the ice for nearly half the game, and at 6-foot-9, 255 lbs., he can likely beat the crap out of anyone in the league.
?It is part of what makes him good,? Chiarelli says with pride. ?The ability to defend himself, and beat opponents.
?Even though he doesn?t (fight) often. The threat is always there.?
moon111
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I'm all for a productive fourth line. However, all I see is Kozun, Holland, Panik, and Frattin combine
for one point and 14 hits. Yes, all are $800,000 or less in salary. Orr would of thrown 10 hits himself. Kozun has been killing penalties. But overall, it seems to me the Leafs are giving toughness for most part for... ? Holland, Panik... these guys are not being as productive as Kozun, a player who put up .66pts per game in the AHL.
Bring back Orr at the very least. Or give Abbot a call-up if Kozun is out. But I'm not seeing a more productive 4th line.
for one point and 14 hits. Yes, all are $800,000 or less in salary. Orr would of thrown 10 hits himself. Kozun has been killing penalties. But overall, it seems to me the Leafs are giving toughness for most part for... ? Holland, Panik... these guys are not being as productive as Kozun, a player who put up .66pts per game in the AHL.
Bring back Orr at the very least. Or give Abbot a call-up if Kozun is out. But I'm not seeing a more productive 4th line.
Seriously? Bumping a 2-year old thread? Come on, start a new one.
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