Wayne Simmonds incidents
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louisstamos
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Saint Nik said:
Not that I'm condoning it in any way, it's still very bad, but Sean Avery himself has said things that are a lot worse, both to players (the mic'ed up saying "I'm going to kill Giroux", and anyone remember the alleged Jason Blake incident?) and fans (the woman in Nashville).
In one sense, what Wayne Simmonds said was wrong and crossed the line. In another sense, it's hard to rally behind Sean Avery of all people and say "Yeah, you tell him!"
Stronger Than All
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yes, Sean Avery is the morality king.
bustaheims
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I'm not sure I want to live in a world where Sean Avery has the moral high ground, but, if Simmonds did actually make a homophobic comment . . . not cool, Wayne. Not cool at all.
Busta Reims said:
Like he's the first one. Avery targeted him because Simmonds looked like a victim the other day and in some retarded form of equalization, singled him out for the homophobic slur.
I'm not saying it's ok to state a homophobic, but this seems so beyond fishy to me. After all this time I can't believe that Simmonds and a couple others weren't the only ones using slurs like that at their oppnonents. Its like once people have sympathy for other people Avery comes out to show that the victim isn't a saint.
Kin
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louisstamos said:
I don't really think that "I'm going to kill ___" or the thing that one reporter alleged that he said, which he sued over and got a retraction of, are worse things to say.
And it's not about suddenly being a Sean Avery fan. It's about Simmonds being a jackass.
louisstamos
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Saint Nik said:
Oh, Simmonds was definitely a jackass, I'm not denying that. But this would be a bigger deal and there would be more of a backlash/response if the player in question wasn't Sean Avery. It's an awful statement to make, but it's true...
bustaheims
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oldman said:
There's a pretty significant gap between acceptable trash talk and racist and homophobic slurs.
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brothert
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Is there no cosideration given to context? Where's the line? If a slur happens on the ice it's a crime. If guy gets punched out by a bigger it's not assault?Busta Reims said:
If Canadian soldier shouts out a slur while defending himself against the Taliban is it a war crime?
Corn Flake
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Deebo said:
I think you hit the nail on the head with "shifting" vs. "shifted". Society is on its way, but not there yet.
bustaheims
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JohnK's Revenge said:
Regardless of your hyperbole, there is no context where racial or homophobic slurs are acceptable. Period.
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brothert
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I want to live in your world where everything is so black and white. I wouldn't get my feelings hurt so much.Busta Reims said:
bustaheims
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JohnK's Revenge said:
It's not a matter of black and white - there are literally hundreds of other ways to insult people without bringing things like race and sexual orientation to the table. There's no need for intolerance when there are so many other options available.
Saint Nik said:
No, I agree that it's stupid and still wrong, but doesn't it seem a little bit more than coincidental that Avery outed this guy about it after he was given publicity as a victim? Avery could've said this about anybody at any time but it just so happened that Simmonds gets nailed and singled out for it now? Seems to me he wants to simply bring Simmonds back from victim status.
Kin
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Bender said:
I'm not inclined to spend a great deal of time pondering Sean Avery's motivations for anything but being as this isn't the first news about Sean Avery taking a stance on these matters I'm not overly inclined to think there's whatever motivation behind it you seem to think there is.
But even if it is prompted by what happened to Simmonds, well, I think then Avery would actually be making a pretty good point. It is hypocritical to object to one sort of intolerance and then actively engage in another. Neither are acceptable.