What do you think Nazem Kadri is worth to the Leafs?

[stephen_mogilny]

It seems like he only plays really hard when he's on the bubble, when he is either called up, or about to be sent down. He's got the hands, and he's got the vision, but what do you think he is worth?

Do you think he will be a top 6 forward in the next two or three years?

Do you think hes a skilled player that will just never play in the NHL and end up with an unsuccessful career?

Do you think he is merely trade bait for the Leafs at this point because you've already given up on him? IF SO, what do you think he is worth in a trade? What is a good return for Nazem Kadri if you're Brian Burke and you're getting calls about him...

Also, here's a cool video to pass the time...

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[proteus2000]

Nowhere near a 7th pick in a draft, unfortunately. There are a lot of players drafted below him in the '09 draft and in the next couple of yrs that are far ahead in their development. I'd say he's a blue chip prospect at this point, not guaranteed to make it at the nhl level for a consistent amount of time, but potentially could be very good.

At best he could follow in the footsteps of St Louis who was put on waivers at 25 and look what he has done, or Briere who didn't make it in the nhl until he was 24-25 and has had a great career. Smaller guys that took longer to figure out their game at the nhl level. I don't see him working enough magic in the next 2-3 years to be given a top 6 forward spot, especially considering the Leafs are too small already.

If he is traded, it would be part of a package to a team willing to inherent the risk/reward of him along with a couple of guaranteed nhl pieces. Otherwise might as well hang on to him and see what happens, his value has already dropped too much.

 

[freer]

IMO

He played better then Armstrong, and should be playing right now. While he was here he played very fiesty. I see him in a trade getting us a large forward

 

[Newbury]

Nowhere near a 7th pick in a draft, unfortunately. There are a lot of players drafted below him in the '09 draft and in the next couple of yrs that are far ahead in their development. I'd say he's a blue chip prospect at this point, not guaranteed to make it at the nhl level for a consistent amount of time, but potentially could be very good.

At best he could follow in the footsteps of St Louis who was put on waivers at 25 and look what he has done, or Briere who didn't make it in the nhl until he was 24-25 and has had a great career. Smaller guys that took longer to figure out their game at the nhl level. I don't see him working enough magic in the next 2-3 years to be given a top 6 forward spot, especially considering the Leafs are too small already.

If he is traded, it would be part of a package to a team willing to inherent the risk/reward of him along with a couple of guaranteed nhl pieces. Otherwise might as well hang on to him and see what happens, his value has already dropped too much.

Um, who?

Ryan O'Reilly is probably the only forward, and why do the drafts after his matter? It's not like we could have drafted them in that season.

 

[Zee]

I think Kadri should be given more of a chance to play at the NHL level.  Through the last few seasons the Leafs have only had him in 49 games and he's constantly yo-yoing up and down.  Given how bad the Leafs were the last few seasons they could have easily taken their lumps and let Kadri experience a full NHL season and MAYBE he'd be a better player for it.  Some of the young guys you mention who are ahead of him in development have had longer stints in the NHL and the teams in question allow the young players to make mistakes and learn.  In Kadri's situation it seems as soon as he has a few poor games he's the odd man out and is sent down.  A non playoff team like the Leafs (the last 3 seasons) could have let Kadri play a more than he has.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Nowhere near a 7th pick in a draft, unfortunately. There are a lot of players drafted below him in the '09 draft and in the next couple of yrs that are far ahead in their development. I'd say he's a blue chip prospect at this point, not guaranteed to make it at the nhl level for a consistent amount of time, but potentially could be very good.

At best he could follow in the footsteps of St Louis who was put on waivers at 25 and look what he has done, or Briere who didn't make it in the nhl until he was 24-25 and has had a great career. Smaller guys that took longer to figure out their game at the nhl level. I don't see him working enough magic in the next 2-3 years to be given a top 6 forward spot, especially considering the Leafs are too small already.

If he is traded, it would be part of a package to a team willing to inherent the risk/reward of him along with a couple of guaranteed nhl pieces. Otherwise might as well hang on to him and see what happens, his value has already dropped too much.

Um, who?

Ryan O'Reilly is probably the only forward, and why do the drafts after his matter? It's not like we could have drafted them in that season.

Yeah, looking over the draft there really aren't any that stand out other than Ryan O'Reilly, or maybe Marcus Johanssen.  All the others are defencemen (such as Kulikov), and I find it hard to compare players of two different positions and skill-sets at a development age myself.

 

[Strangelove]

In his last stint with the team he brought a good spark offensively and was laying some ridiculously big bodychecks, given his size.  He brings more to this line-up than each of Crabb and Amstrong I think--possibly Lombardi as well.  Given his recently spunkiness, there's absolutely no reason he shouldn't be playing on the third line right now.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

But again, both Crabb and Lombardi play over 1:00 of PK time/game, something Kadri doesn't do.

I thought he came up with a bang, but then was pretty invisible other than the odd hit.  Lombardi at least brings more speed and PK/defensive ability.

 

[ZBBM]

But again, both Crabb and Lombardi play over 1:00 of PK time/game, something Kadri doesn't do.

I thought he came up with a bang, but then was pretty invisible other than the odd hit.  Lombardi at least brings more speed and PK/defensive ability.

As long as the PK is running perfectly you don't change it. 

I totally agree, he shows flashes of brilliance, and he plays more physical than I imagined -- surprising to me, but apparently not to others who saw him in junior or have seen him with the Marlies.

Hands like his AND a physical edge?  In my book that's still pretty damned intriguing.  If he can will himself into better defensive awareness, he'll be in the league a long time.

But I still think he's a center, not a winger.

 

[maplesyrup]

I still think he's a center, not a winger.

Hanging on to that with a death grip, eh? Not saying your wrong but what makes you think that? What position has he been playing in the "A?" I just don't see much evidence the Leafs organization is directing him that way.

 

[ZBBM]

I still think he's a center, not a winger.

Hanging on to that with a death grip, eh? Not saying your wrong but what makes you think that? What position has he been playing in the "A?" I just don't see much evidence the Leafs organization is directing him that way.

"Death grip"?  Where do you get that?

My observation is that he's a great distributor of the puck.  As I said, he has to shore up his defensive game, esp. as a center, but if he does that I think it's his natural position.

 

[drummond]

Some guys need time

Couple of names Leafs may be familiar with

Viktor Stalberg 51 15+16 31 +5
Jiri Tlusty         54 11+9   20 -1

Just give him more time, there is no pressing need for him to deliver right now.

 

[proteus2000]

Nowhere near a 7th pick in a draft, unfortunately. There are a lot of players drafted below him in the '09 draft and in the next couple of yrs that are far ahead in their development. I'd say he's a blue chip prospect at this point, not guaranteed to make it at the nhl level for a consistent amount of time, but potentially could be very good.

At best he could follow in the footsteps of St Louis who was put on waivers at 25 and look what he has done, or Briere who didn't make it in the nhl until he was 24-25 and has had a great career. Smaller guys that took longer to figure out their game at the nhl level. I don't see him working enough magic in the next 2-3 years to be given a top 6 forward spot, especially considering the Leafs are too small already.

If he is traded, it would be part of a package to a team willing to inherent the risk/reward of him along with a couple of guaranteed nhl pieces. Otherwise might as well hang on to him and see what happens, his value has already dropped too much.

Um, who?

Ryan O'Reilly is probably the only forward, and why do the drafts after his matter? It's not like we could have drafted them in that season.

The following draft years matter in terms of watering down the list of young prospects available for trade. There are now 2 entire draft classes of younger players that teams like Ana or Cbs can scout if they decide to trade a big piece, and consequently more players that are more enticing than Kadri.

From 09 There is Craig smith, Marcus Johansson, Cohen,  Kulikov, leddy, Oreilly, Kyle Clifford, on top of kane, duchene, Hedman, tavares, schenn. A glut of guys are like kadri, in and out of the lineup over the past couple of yrs but many on deeper clubs that have been tougher to make. No some of them do not have the upside of Kadri and yes some are dmen, but many have shown consistency at the NHL level. 7 g and 11 a over 50 games for a small offensive player turning 22 by the start of next season doesn't scream all star potential.

Kadri does play hard, and deserves another chance this season on the 3rd unit replacing crabb. I just think his "value" isn't very high to most scouts.

 

[maplesyrup]

I still think he's a center, not a winger.

Hanging on to that with a death grip, eh? Not saying your wrong but what makes you think that? What position has he been playing in the "A?" I just don't see much evidence the Leafs organization is directing him that way.

"Death grip"?  Where do you get that?

My observation is that he's a great distributor of the puck.  As I said, he has to shore up his defensive game, esp. as a center, but if he does that I think it's his natural position.

Well, it's just something that hasn't been brought up in some time... So long that I thought his future as a winger was/is a forgone conclusion.

 

[maplesyrup]

Hey ZBBM!... Check it out!

Jeffler Jeff Veillette
#Marlies Forward Lines: Hamilton-Colborne-Zigomanis / D'Amigo-Acton-Scott / Wilson-Dupuis-Deschamps / Mueller-Kadri-Frattin

Good for you, sir!

 

[ZBBM]

Hey ZBBM!... Check it out!

Jeffler Jeff Veillette
#Marlies Forward Lines: Hamilton-Colborne-Zigomanis / D'Amigo-Acton-Scott / Wilson-Dupuis-Deschamps / Mueller-Kadri-Frattin

Good for you, sir!

8)

Who knows?  We may see that line with the big club sometime soon.

 

[Corn Flake]

I think he is worth a loaf of bread, a quart o milk and and a stick o butter.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Kadri has been playing primarily at centre when with the Marlies.

 

[Guru Tugginmypuddah]

I think he is worth a loaf of bread, a quart o milk and and a stick o butter.

OH COME ON!!!  At least you gotta throw in a pound of sugar!

 

[maplesyrup]

Kadri has been playing primarily at centre when with the Marlies.

I really didn't know that... So... Bozak, Grabovski, Connolly, Steckel, Colborne, Kadri, Dupuis, Boyce. All "centres" (maybe) who have played with the Leafs this year. Anyone want to take a stab at my least favorite one?

... I mean, surely the hope is that one of Coborne or Kadri can take his spot next year, right?