What's the value of potential assets?

[proteus2000]

I imagine most of the players' value has dropped in this stench. But what could they fetch in return on Monday?

Grabo - 2nd + okay prospect.
Macarthur - 2nd or 3rd
Connolly - an overpaid good 3rd-4th line Grinder/maybe untradeable with the cap hit next season.
Franson - 4th
Schenn - struggling young forward on another team with potential/high 1st and pretty good prospect

I really hope that the leafs scouts do their job and pick off more guys like Gardiner, Aulie, colborne who are 20-25 instead of the equivalent draft pick.

 

[losveratos]

I imagine most of the players' value has dropped in this stench. But what could they fetch in return on Monday?

Grabo - 2nd + okay prospect.
Macarthur - 2nd or 3rd
Connolly - an overpaid good 3rd-4th line Grinder/maybe untradeable with the cap hit next season.
Franson - 4th
Schenn - struggling young forward on another team with potential/high 1st and pretty good prospect

I really hope that the leafs scouts do their job and pick off more guys like Gardiner, Aulie, colborne who are 20-25 instead of the equivalent draft pick.

You're insane.

*Edit - But to add something of value to this conversation... I'd say Franson is worth maybe a low 2nd but at the least a 3rd. Keep Grabbo if 5mil or less resign. Trade Armstrong/Lombardi/Komi for almost anything. Though I wouldn't just give them away. Also I would trade Connolly for something of relative value or keep him. He's not useless. Just makes too much. Try to keep the rest intact for the most part unless going after a young big fish.

 

[Bender]

The Leafs will probably get low balled some but your ratings are on the low side. A 4th for Franson? And I don't think 1yr of Connolly is a crazy contract. He's definitely tradable to a desparate team

 

[drummond]

We need 1st round picks

 

[bustaheims]

Well, it's a darn good thing you're not in charge.

 

[cw]

Grabo - 2nd + okay prospect.

It was reported on CBC last night that the Leafs have been offered a 1st for Grabbo. And I don't think that's over payment from a contending team (lower 1st round pick).

 

[maplesyrup]

Grabo - 2nd + okay prospect.

It was reported on CBC last night that the Leafs have been offered a 1st for Grabbo. And I don't think that's over payment from a contending team (lower 1st round pick).

Like I said this morning in another thread, I think we'd be crazy not to jump on that 1st given where this team is going.

 

[Tigger]

Grabo - 2nd + okay prospect.

It was reported on CBC last night that the Leafs have been offered a 1st for Grabbo. And I don't think that's over payment from a contending team (lower 1st round pick).

Like I said this morning in another thread, I think we'd be crazy not to jump on that 1st given where this team is going.

Maybe but not knowing the details of how far apart the contract negotiations are is kind of important too, plus if they do that deal ( and I'm not outright against it from what I know on the outside, fwiw ) they admit to cashing in the season for the most part, with 20 games to go that's a toughie.

 

[princedpw]

Grabo - 2nd + okay prospect.

It was reported on CBC last night that the Leafs have been offered a 1st for Grabbo. And I don't think that's over payment from a contending team (lower 1st round pick).

Like I said this morning in another thread, I think we'd be crazy not to jump on that 1st given where this team is going.

I'd need more information before I could agree.  I note that a late-round 1st is unlikely to become as good as grabbo, even 5 years from now.  If we are really lucky, the draft pick is as good as grabbo is in 3-4 years -- that is really a best-case scenario.

So I wonder, how would we use the cap space opened by not resigning grabbo?  Aside from Grabbo and Parise, are there any other forwards we might sign in the offseason?  If it were possible to sign a guy like Suter in the offseason then Suter + 1st round pick >> grabbo.  It is so hard to know what will be available ... Trading grabbo will set us back competitively in the short term unless he is replaced by some other top-end player, which is hard to find.  So if we trade him, prepare for the leafs to be worse next year.

 

[cw]

Grabo - 2nd + okay prospect.

It was reported on CBC last night that the Leafs have been offered a 1st for Grabbo. And I don't think that's over payment from a contending team (lower 1st round pick).

Like I said this morning in another thread, I think we'd be crazy not to jump on that 1st given where this team is going.

If they feel they are not likely to reasonably close the contract divide, to me, it's a no brainer. They aren't going to win the Cup this year. They might pickup an asset that could help them win a Cup in the future.

It's tough because they will really miss Grabbo. But I'd rather get something that be raped in a contract or lose him for nothing.

 

[proteus2000]

Grabo is definitely the guy with some value that they could trade (and potentially even resign in the offseason if him and his tdot wife want to come back). If it is bumped up from a 2nd + prospect to a 1st, they have to consider it.

Some people on here seriously overvalue what the leafs would get for some of their crummy pieces. Franson is a #5/6 plodding dman on a really porous defense, they don't even trust him to play much more than 15 min/night. Why would a contender give up a 2nd for him when there are way cheaper options for blue line depth.

 

[losveratos]

Grabo is definitely the guy with some value that they could trade (and potentially even resign in the offseason if him and his tdot wife want to come back). If it is bumped up from a 2nd + prospect to a 1st, they have to consider it.

Some people on here seriously overvalue what the leafs would get for some of their crummy pieces. Franson is a #5/6 plodding dman on a really porous defense, they don't even trust him to play much more than 15 min/night. Why would a contender give up a 2nd for him when there are way cheaper options for blue line depth.

The fact that you're calling Franson Crummy means you don't really know what you're talking about when it comes to him. He's 6'5", 24 yrs old, had 21p his rookie yr, 29p the year after of which 8 were goals. This yr he's on pace to top that. Meaning he's still getting better. Also last yr when the Preds went to the Playoffs he was playing .5p per game hockey. So he shows up there too. His caphit is only 800k and he's a freakin RFA to boot.

I just can't in any way shape or form envision him as crummy. At least in any way I interpret the word. So by all means continue thinking what you want... that's your right of course. But you won't be swaying much if any of us here.

 

[azzurri63]

Grabo - 2nd + okay prospect.

It was reported on CBC last night that the Leafs have been offered a 1st for Grabbo. And I don't think that's over payment from a contending team (lower 1st round pick).

Like I said this morning in another thread, I think we'd be crazy not to jump on that 1st given where this team is going.

I'd need more information before I could agree.  I note that a late-round 1st is unlikely to become as good as grabbo, even 5 years from now.  If we are really lucky, the draft pick is as good as grabbo is in 3-4 years -- that is really a best-case scenario.

So I wonder, how would we use the cap space opened by not resigning grabbo?  Aside from Grabbo and Parise, are there any other forwards we might sign in the offseason?  If it were possible to sign a guy like Suter in the offseason then Suter + 1st round pick >> grabbo.  It is so hard to know what will be available ... Trading grabbo will set us back competitively in the short term unless he is replaced by some other top-end player, which is hard to find.  So if we trade him, prepare for the leafs to be worse next year.

I agree with you 100%. Don't really understand why so many think a first round pick is a good deal. Unless that pick was coming from a team like the Oilers, Blue Jackets, Canes etc I wouldn't even consider it and that's not going to happen. He's a solid 2nd line center. Is he worth 5 million a year? They're paying Connolly 4.5. Enough said. from what I'm hearing it's the length of the deal that is holding things up not the cap hit. We would be missing him come next year if they dealt him and yes maybe we can get lucky and sign someone but we need more top 6 players not just replacing one for another.

 

[proteus2000]

Grabo is definitely the guy with some value that they could trade (and potentially even resign in the offseason if him and his tdot wife want to come back). If it is bumped up from a 2nd + prospect to a 1st, they have to consider it.

Some people on here seriously overvalue what the leafs would get for some of their crummy pieces. Franson is a #5/6 plodding dman on a really porous defense, they don't even trust him to play much more than 15 min/night. Why would a contender give up a 2nd for him when there are way cheaper options for blue line depth.

The fact that you're calling Franson Crummy means you don't really know what you're talking about when it comes to him. He's 6'5", 24 yrs old, had 21p his rookie yr, 29p the year after of which 8 were goals. This yr he's on pace to top that. Meaning he's still getting better. Also last yr when the Preds went to the Playoffs he was playing .5p per game hockey. So he shows up there too. His caphit is only 800k and he's a freakin RFA to boot.

I just can't in any way shape or form envision him as crummy. At least in any way I interpret the word. So by all means continue thinking what you want... that's your right of course. But you won't be swaying much if any of us here.

If he was better I would figure that his atoi would rank better than 16/min a game for 5th on d. Even Komi and aulie play the same minutes when in the lineup. I don't think franson is the issue, calling him crummy stems from frustration, but I do find his defensive skills and speed nerve wracking.

I don't think the preds would give him up just to dump lombardis contract if they thought he wasn't a replaceable piece.

 

[Etiam Vultus]

I imagine most of the players' value has dropped in this stench. But what could they fetch in return on Monday?

I disagree with your premise.

I think that fans are swayed a great deal by the recent play of the team and the player.  I am not so sure that a good general manager is.

 

[Capn_Crunch]

Grabo is definitely the guy with some value that they could trade (and potentially even resign in the offseason if him and his tdot wife want to come back). If it is bumped up from a 2nd + prospect to a 1st, they have to consider it.

Some people on here seriously overvalue what the leafs would get for some of their crummy pieces. Franson is a #5/6 plodding dman on a really porous defense, they don't even trust him to play much more than 15 min/night. Why would a contender give up a 2nd for him when there are way cheaper options for blue line depth.

The fact that you're calling Franson Crummy means you don't really know what you're talking about when it comes to him. He's 6'5", 24 yrs old, had 21p his rookie yr, 29p the year after of which 8 were goals. This yr he's on pace to top that. Meaning he's still getting better. Also last yr when the Preds went to the Playoffs he was playing .5p per game hockey. So he shows up there too. His caphit is only 800k and he's a freakin RFA to boot.

I just can't in any way shape or form envision him as crummy. At least in any way I interpret the word. So by all means continue thinking what you want... that's your right of course. But you won't be swaying much if any of us here.

If he was better I would figure that his atoi would rank better than 16/min a game for 5th on d. Even Komi and aulie play the same minutes when in the lineup. I don't think franson is the issue, calling him crummy stems from frustration, but I do find his defensive skills and speed nerve wracking.

I don't think the preds would give him up just to dump lombardis contract if they thought he wasn't a replaceable piece.

You're horribly misinformed... Nash only gave him up as they needed to dump lombardi's cap hit. That was the price of doing business. Their salary was more of a issue then and someone needed to go.

BB has done a great job of getting value back along with so called salary dumps...Lupal/Gardiner and Lombo/Franson are better then most other GM's have done.

Franson can only go upwards from here and he has gotten better every year so far. The fact that Weber and Suter were the only ones holding him back from more icetime in nash speaks volumes about his all around game and skill set. He'll also be a reasonable contract for a number of years still, kind of like a different version of Gunnar.  Key pieces to moving forward defensively and in managing cap space.

Trading Grabbo for anything short of a replacment or a super high 1st is three steps backwards at least. He's the heart and soul of the team and his line gives our 1A line room to breathe from other teams best checking units/top players. I'll start the line to give BB a backhander upside his head if he just dumps him off.

 

[Rebel_1812]

if grabbo is so good, why are the leafs currently sitting in tenth?  I think people here are overrating grabbo. 

 

[crazyperfectdevil]

if grabbo is so good, why are the leafs currently sitting in tenth?  I think people here are overrating grabbo.

because it's a team sport?  i'm not sure what their position has to do with any one player...i guess you could make that argument for goaltender ..though in this case both of them are letting in about a "bad one" per game .. 

 

[The Red Polar Bear]

if grabbo is so good, why are the leafs currently sitting in tenth?  I think people here are overrating grabbo.

1) Goaltending
2) Defence who, while being very solid offensively, has lacked somewhat defensively
3) A third line made up of those that didn't fit anywhere else rather than being a particular "type" (scoring, checking, defensive, grinder, whatever); just rag-tag pieces.
4) Second-line wingers who are i) slightly off or ii) shockingly off last years pace

There are a lot of things you can blame our 10th place positioning on. Grabo isn't one of them.

 

[princedpw]

if grabbo is so good, why are the leafs currently sitting in tenth?  I think people here are overrating grabbo.

If Stamkos is so good, why is Tampa in 11th?

Maybe we can convince them to swap Stamkos for Grabbo to improve their team?