William Nylander

[lamajama]

They were just spitballing on Overdrive today on IF the Leafs were to trade Willie, it's obvious now
that since he's gotten so much better it would not be a trade for a 3-4 D man but a trade for a legit
#1 D man such as the old Shanahan for Pronger trade years ago.

Personally.....if they trade Willie, if it's not a trade that anyone with 3 brain cells would make (so that
would be pretty much a no-go) then that might finally be the last nail in the coffin of my Leaf fandom.
We have had such a dearth of superstar/league envy type of players that we get THREE and then trade one?

He is developing into a ultra-elite type offensive player. I just hate to hear any trade talk with him involved.

The big 3 should be untouchable and despite the "Gretzky was traded" stuff, I'd be hard pressed to accept
any scenario that involved Willie or Mitch.

 

[Frank E]

The big 3 should be untouchable and despite the "Gretzky was traded" stuff, I'd be hard pressed to accept
any scenario that involved Willie or Mitch.

I'm always wrong on these things, but I doubt they'd accept the first overall pick this year for him. 

 

[herman]

Per lamajama's post above, Craig Button had an epiphany about his burgeoning crush on Nylander.

http://www.tsn.ca/video/button-the-only-way-the-leafs-should-trade-nylander-is-for-a-1-d-man~1130813

He goes a bit overboard as usual. The small sample size hot take is strong. Still not hopping off the trade-Nylander talk, but also pretty happy to say Matthews-Nylander for 10 years.

Even more crazy in the morning, but it's the kind of crazy I like.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/who-is-the-next-great-centre-for-leafs-marner-or-nylander~1130340

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Per lamajama's post above, Craig Button had an epiphany about his burgeoning crush on Nylander.

http://www.tsn.ca/video/button-the-only-way-the-leafs-should-trade-nylander-is-for-a-1-d-man~1130813

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How are they STILL so obsessed with trading him?

 

[herman]

Haha... on the one hand he is so much "better than Taylor Hall, it's frightening" and he and Matthews are generational talents...

on the other... *clicks *clicks *clicks

Even Popeye's bicep is happy to see Nylander.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Haha... on the one hand he is so much "better than Taylor Hall, it's frightening" and he and Matthews are generational talents...

on the other... *clicks *clicks *clicks

Even Popeye's bicep is happy to see Nylander.

They had McKenzie on about 45 minutes after that. Tweeted that he'd be talking about Dubas so I checked in. He didn't really say anything new at all but they asked him about Nylander too right after. They said something like "FOR SOME REASON his name keeps coming up in trade talks" (emphasis obviously mine) and asked if the Leafs ever seriously considered trading him during the season. McKenzie basically politely called them both idiots and said that all Nylander trade talk was entirely media-driven and the Leafs never considered moving him once.

I stopped listening after that but I'm assuming they immediately started discussing the pros of trading him for TWO Brandon Montour's after McKenzie left.

 

[Guru Tugginmypuddah]

I wonder what the Leafs could get if they throw in Matthews?  Ahh heck why not throw in Marner too?

 

[herman]

They had McKenzie on about 45 minutes after that. Tweeted that he'd be talking about Dubas so I checked in. He didn't really say anything new at all but they asked him about Nylander too right after. They said something like "FOR SOME REASON his name keeps coming up in trade talks" (emphasis obviously mine) and asked if the Leafs ever seriously considered trading him during the season. McKenzie basically politely called them both idiots and said that all Nylander trade talk was entirely media-driven and the Leafs never considered moving him once.

I stopped listening after that but I'm assuming they immediately started discussing the pros of trading him for TWO Brandon Montour's after McKenzie left.

Here's the aforementioned segment for those that wanted to hear Bob's dulcet tones.

http://www.tsn.ca/radio/toronto-1050/mckenzie-i-don-t-believe-leafs-considered-trading-nylander-1.760005

 

[herman]

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How are they STILL so obsessed with trading him?

http://www.tsn.ca/radio/toronto-1050/poulin-nylander-only-scratching-surface-of-his-potential-1.759983

Poulin's first words on the matter (6:02):

Landsberg: Is there a defenceman in the NHL that you would trade Nylander for if you were the Maple Leafs?

Poulin: I wouldn't trade William Nylander right now.

Landsberg: Well, that was a buzzkill.

Worth the listen for the small behind the scenes view of some of the discussions the management team had at the 2014 draft. Thommie Bergman really went to bat.

 

[Highlander]

McKenzie basically politely called them both idiots and said that all Nylander trade talk was "entirely media-driven" and the Leafs never considered moving him once.

Sort of sounds like what is happening to the Donald

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/ken19765/status/866481545384800256

https://www.nhl.com/rangers/news/rangers-lundqvist-sweden-gold-its-a-tough-feeling-to-describe/c-289597014

"I saw him coming and I thought maybe a little jump," Lundqvist said laughing, "but he jumped so high there was no way to stand my ground.

"My first thought was 'I got this,' and my second thought was 'I don't got this,'" he added. "Then you just pile on there and everyone is just screaming."

 

[herman]

https://www.reddit.com/r/leafs/comments/6e3qks/ryan_stimson_comparing_the_5v5_playing_styles_of/

According to data from the Passing Project, William Nylander is currently the more complete player of the Big Three. Matthews exceeds him in shot generation and high danger chances, but Nylander's overall impact is greater in every other category, and quite close where Matthews excels. Of course Nylander is the furthest along in his development, so this isn't an indictment against anyone.

 

[Kaberle15]

Something is odd in that... Nylander has 520 TOI 5v5 ?

Matthews 290 ?

I think that someone mess up that chart...

 

[herman]

Something is odd in that... Nylander has 520 TOI 5v5 ?

Matthews 290 ?

I think that someone mess up that chart...

It covers multiple seasons, i.e. the last three if applicable.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Something is odd in that... Nylander has 520 TOI 5v5 ?

Matthews 290 ?

I think that someone mess up that chart...

It covers multiple seasons, i.e. the last three if applicable.

That... and, those charts use stats that were taken by manually tracking games. It's a lot of work, and it's basically impossible to do every single game of the season for every single team. Especially considering the season ended somewhat recently. I imagine the data that they have from this season is mostly from the first half only so far.

All 3 of Matthews, Nylander, and Marner played a bit over 1000 minutes of 5v5 play this past season, so this data is from about 25-30%-ish of this season (plus most of last season for Nylander).

 

[herman]

In that span of time, it also shows how good Kadri is, and how much further our Big Three have to go to even be in the same conversation as Crosby, Backstrom, McDavid.

This sort of data would be way less tedious if they followed through with that data tracker pucks and jerseys plan. Solves stupid offside and goal-line reviews too.

 

[herman]

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/should-leafs-lock-up-nylander-long-term-or-sign-him-to-a-bridge-deal~1140513

Dreger: Yeah, I mean, I'm always hesitant to try and jump into the mindset of Lou Lamoriello because, more often than not, I'm wrong when I'm guessing on what he might do. All I know, Andi, is how William Nylander is viewed by his head coach and those around the organization, and he's highly regarded -- surprisingly so. Maybe that sounds unfair given how talented this young player is, but they've got a lot of time for Nylander and they see him as a real big part of the Toronto Maple Leafs success in the future.

So in saying all that, it makes sense to me that they'd want to lock him up on a longer term, but there are other pieces to the puzzle. Obviously Auston Matthews is a lock. They'll sign him to eight years as quick as they can coming off the entry level contract, and they think Mitch Marner is a star in the NHL. So, the problem you have with all of that is they need the salary cap to go up a lot higher than what it's gone up before they can consider any of that stuff with Nylander, or Marner, or Matthews, or some of the other pieces they're going to want to hold on to.

Lol.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Dreger: All I know, Andi, is how William Nylander is viewed by his head coach and those around the organization, and he's highly regarded -- surprisingly so.

 

[herman]

I could here him physically straining to not spin the conversation overtly back to "Leafs must trade Nylander... gaaaaaarrhhhh". Right to the edge really, and then found the salary cap excuse.

 

[herman]

https://theleafsnation.com/2017/07/23/wonderful-gifs-of-wonderful-william-nylander/

If we didn't have Matthews, I could see him taking 1C in a couple of years. He'd also be a really good 1RD if he were so inclined, and a killer 1LW.