maplesyrup
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Nik? said:
Well, I could completely bury your examples with mine but I was assuming that you knew better to argue the fact that starters don't often get dealt at the deadline.
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Well, I could completely bury your examples with mine but I was assuming that you knew better to argue the fact that starters don't often get dealt at the deadline.
Kin
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Sarge said:
Hyperbole doesn't suit you. The Leafs missed the playoffs by 12 points. The only reason they did is because they fell off the table. There wasn't giant worlds of difference between them and the Senators this year.
Remember. Burke himself is the guy who said they could have made the playoffs this year. So your argument is with him on that score.
Kin
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Sarge said:
How were you going to do that? By giving me a long list of all of the trades that haven't happened at the deadline? Last year Roloson, Elliott and Anderson were all dealt mid-season. Your contention that goalies capable of winning games in the playoffs don't get dealt midseason is demonstrably false.
maplesyrup
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Nik? said:
Give me 10 starters who were dealt at the deadline in the last 10 years. Even if you can, it's still rarity.
Kin
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Sarge said:
You're not making any sense. Nobody is saying the deals had to happen specifically at the deadline for the Leafs to improve(in fact, that's counter intuitive as the earlier the trade the more it could help) and nobody is saying that the goalie in question would have to be his team's "starter" in order to have helped the Leafs. Josh Harding, as an example, is a guy who wouldn't be considered Minnesota's starter but would probably have been an improvement for the Leafs' situation.
bustaheims
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In fairness to Sarge, post-lockout, only Theodore, Roloson and Huet have been traded mid-season, assumed a starting role and had their team make the playoffs in the same season. A goalie trade in February, regardless of who was brought it, was unlikely to help the Leafs make the playoffs this season.
maplesyrup
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Nik? said:
But this started by you saying "I guess the Kings missed Brian Burke's memo saying that they were supposed to get their asses kicked." which is commentary on Burke's post-deadline response to the media on why he didn't do anything at that time. So yeah, excuse me for thinking we were talking about the time period you're referring to quite specifically here.
Kin
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bustaheims said:
Again, the idea that the Leafs could have made the playoffs with trades made this year is something put forth by Burke. My only addition was that if we take Burke at his word on that and he could have then it doesn't make sense to then dismiss that hypothetical 8th seed Leafs teams chances in the post-season because of what we've seen in the post-season.
maplesyrup
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Nik? said:
Now that doesn't make any sense at all. It's not like he could have made deals post-deadline.
maplesyrup
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Nik? said:
You mean like in Dec when all was rosey? - and pssst... holding hands with another dude is just creepy, man.
Kin
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Sarge said:
Well, for starters my definition of "rosy" isn't fighting and scratching for the 8th seed. I find it hard to believe that anyone would have looked at this team in December and not thought it could stand improvement.
But, more to the point, thanks to those handy Julian's there are two whole months between december and the deadline and during those months the Leafs were not tearing up the league. The slide started a full 19 days before the deadline.
And, rather than continue to get sidetracked by your obfuscation, you said there was a specific time implied. There wasn't. It doesn't make sense to say that the only time Burke could have dealt for a goalie was at the deadline or that only deadline deals from previous years are relevant. Again the idea that Burke could have made trades this year to take the team into the playoffs is what Burke said, not me.
Sarge said:
Do you even know what an idiom is?
A colloquial metaphor?
No...actually...yes.
maplesyrup
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Nik? said:
Which isn't a lot of time to plug all the holes in the Leaf's ship. We weren't just leaking, we were full of torpedo holes. Salvageable teams don't lose 15 of 17 (or whatever it was.)
maplesyrup
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Zee said:
Agreed.
maplesyrup
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Nik? said:
I'm good.
Kin
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Sarge said:
1. Trades could have been made before then.
2. The team was far from perfect before then.
3. Burke is the one who said he could make the playoffs this year through deadline deals, I'm operating on the assumption that he's not wrong(edit: although I'm not really even doing that. I'm just saying that if that's true then they'd have as much shot as any other #8 seed which seems to be a pretty good one if recent years tell us anything).
One of the 8th seeds this year has Vezina-calibre goaltending and a top-six that puts a lot of teams to shame. The other, the Senators, have received amazing goaltending and are playing with a brilliant mix of skill and heart.
All of these concepts are foreign to Leafs fans these days. I have little faith, had they squeezed into the eight-spot, they'd be having as much success against the Rangers. That's impossible to say for sure, of course, so just call it a hunch.
All of these concepts are foreign to Leafs fans these days. I have little faith, had they squeezed into the eight-spot, they'd be having as much success against the Rangers. That's impossible to say for sure, of course, so just call it a hunch.