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2011 Blue Jays/MLB Thread

I'm leaning toward an offer of 125m/5 years for Fielder.

Out of line or does anyone think he'd go for that?

Too rich for the Jays?

Sign Papi for two years. Pretty interesting lineup for the Skydome.

My main reason for wanting the Jays to spend now is they have the best hitter in baseball and I don't want him to go to waste.

Trade Lind for a starter, sign a closer?

 
I'd love that... Problem is, I don't think he takes 5 years. Like I've said before anything past age 32 for guys like him seem to be not so great. I could live with killing a year or two if it means taking advantage of Bautista's best years. 
 
Sarge said:
He averaged a .865 OPS, hit around .275 and slammed 69 HRs, collecting 225 RBI in those 2 years... You know that's very good, right?
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No, because, again, I'm aware of the concept of context. Even if you were inclined to use OPS+, which adjusts to an extent for the context those numbers exist in(a good hitting Angels park, in the highest scoring era in baseball history) you'd see that Vaughn dropped off by 30 points in those years from when he was putting up legitimate value. Factor in the position he was playing and you're dealing with a guy who, and I'll say it again for emphasis, was a noticeably less valuable first baseman than Lyle Overbay.
 
dm_for_pm said:
My main reason for wanting the Jays to spend now is they have the best hitter in baseball and I don't want him to go to waste.
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I don't think it's that urgent. Bautista probably has a couple good years left and I don't think you want to weigh the Franchise down with an anchor of a contract right now. I think there's a lot of talent on the team right now, to the extent that panic moves don't need to be made.
 
Saint Nik said:
dm_for_pm said:
My main reason for wanting the Jays to spend now is they have the best hitter in baseball and I don't want him to go to waste.
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I agree with Nik.

The risks involved in signing Fielder are just too big...and I am not sure if this franchise can survive another rebuild in this city.
As Nik mentioned, there is a real chance Fielder regresses early in his likely contract. Unlike other baseball teams, if he ends up with Vernon Well production, we can't just ignore this contract and keeping adding big salaries. His contract could seriously hurt this team for years if it doesn't work out.

I think the Jays are in a great position in the upcoming years. We have one of the best farm systems in baseball and I rather use those assets to attract players with better contracts and lower likelihoods of handicapping this teams spending.
We can't predict Bautista's future production, but, I imagine there is at least a three year window with him. I don't think we are at the "all or nothing" stage yet.
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seahawk said:
What's this talk about the Jays taking a hit under the revenue sharing provisions of the new CBA?
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Apparently there are changes to the revenue sharing formula where teams in big markets but who don't generate a lot of revenue won't get as much as before.
 
Saint Nik said:
seahawk said:
What's this talk about the Jays taking a hit under the revenue sharing provisions of the new CBA?
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Apparently there are changes to the revenue sharing formula where teams in big markets but who don't generate a lot of revenue won't get as much as before.
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The only issue I have with that is that fans will come out to games if teams are winning, regardless of being a big-market or small-market team.  Raw population doesn't tell the whole story on the market demographic.  To me, Toronto is not a good baseball market because in general it just isn't a big baseball community.  There are more than enough fans in the city to have an MLB team, but not enough to call it a major market. 

I would like to know what classifies as a smaller market team though.
 
Saint Nik said:
dm_for_pm said:
My main reason for wanting the Jays to spend now is they have the best hitter in baseball and I don't want him to go to waste.
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I don't think it's that urgent. Bautista probably has a couple good years left and I don't think you want to weigh the Franchise down with an anchor of a contract right now. I think there's a lot of talent on the team right now, to the extent that panic moves don't need to be made.
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Would you take Fielder on a 5-year deal?
 
Complete MLB free agent list....some signed, re-signed, and unsigned....

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AnmUCqkj4PlegGqyFEQb.AQ5nYcB?slug=jp-passan_ultimate_free_agent_tracker_baseball_110211
 
dm_for_pm said:
Would you take Fielder on a 5-year deal?
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It depends, obviously. Would I sign him to a copy of Bautista's deal? Absolutely. Would I sign him to a deal at twice what Bautista's making? Probably not. I just don't like your jumbo 20 million dollar a year, 100 million+ contracts for position players. Unless you're getting just an off the charts ball player like A-Rod or Manny or Cabrera in their primes I just don't see those as contracts that work out for teams.

I think it's more or less a moot point though as I'd be stunned if Prince signs for anything south of seven years.
 
The Jays have acquired Sergio Santos from the ChiSox for Nestor Molina. Not sure about this one - while Santos has some pretty dominating stuff, Molina is a pretty stiff price to pay for a bullpen arm, even if he is a closer.
 
Busta Reims said:
The Jays have acquired Sergio Santos from the ChiSox for Nestor Molina. Not sure about this one - while Santos has some pretty dominating stuff, Molina is a pretty stiff price to pay for a bullpen arm, even if he is a closer.
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I'm not sure either... I read a recent Blue Jays prospect ranking and hit had Nestor #2.  :-\
 
Ken_Rosenthal:
#BlueJays like Molina, view him as potential mid-rotation starter. But they get 6 yrs of control on Santos on good contract. #WhiteSox #MLB

I feel a touch better I suppose.

 
Sarge said:
I'm not sure either... I read a recent Blue Jays prospect ranking and hit had Nestor #2.  :-\
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Yeah. I mean, there's been talk that he was going to be converted into a closer type any ways, so, by that line of thinking, it's not the end of the world, but, his minor league numbers are very impressive. He's still a couple years away from the bigs, though. This is a bit of a "the future for now" type deal, but, Santos is still pretty young and on a relatively appealing contract. Really going to need to see how this one plays out before I can make a real judgement on it.
 
Busta Reims said:
Sarge said:
I'm not sure either... I read a recent Blue Jays prospect ranking and hit had Nestor #2.  :-\
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Yeah. I mean, there's been talk that he was going to be converted into a closer type any ways, so, by that line of thinking, it's not the end of the world, but, his minor league numbers are very impressive. He's still a couple years away from the bigs, though. This is a bit of a "the future for now" type deal, but, Santos is still pretty young and on a relatively appealing contract. Really going to need to see how this one plays out before I can make a real judgement on it.
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Yeah, I just posted that Rosenthal tweet... Difficult to predict how it turns out.
 
Is he even a significantly better choice than Francisco? Seems like more of the same.

Eh, not a huge deal one way or the other. I remain skeptical about the actual Major League performance of the guys AA acquires though.
 
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