maplesyrup
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8 years, 6.5 mil. AAV for Bergeron. I really hope the Leafs can now wrap up Kessel for as little.
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Dr. Bobby Leafer said:
Great. Now we can compare that to the Bozak and Clarkson "discounts" and cry.
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BlueWhiteBlood said:
I missed this the other day. Good Lord.
I look at the B's cap structure and the math is hard to comprehend how they have so many players they have making $5+ mil. Their top 8 forwards all make over $3 mil, and that doesn't even include their two highest paid, both now basically at $7 mil (Chara, Rask).
This is why I don't get all bent out of shape over what Clarkson is making. Clearly there are ways to fit plenty of giant contracts in under the cap.
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Corn Flake said:
I'm interested to see what Kessel and Phaneuf are re-signed at. I think Kessel will get 7 million and Phaneuf might take 6 million on an extended deal. If that happened, I think we'd only add what, 500k -1 million overall next season?
That would leave money for Bolland, Gardiner and Kulemin next season also, depending on what they'd sign for.
bustaheims
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CarltonTheBear said:
Maybe, but we can also watch how the Bruins try to get out from what is now a very difficult cap situation. They're $1.3M over going into the season right now with 22 guys signed, but, they're also using their entire bonus cushion - a good chunk of which is made up of easily attainable bonuses in Iginla's contract. They could very well find themselves carrying over a $4M+ cap hit into next season, and I'd say they're a weaker team than they were 2 weeks ago.
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BlueWhiteBlood said:
As of this moment there is $36 mil in cap space for next season, which of course includes this year's RFA's not yet signed.
If we assume:
$3.0 for Kadri, probably 2 years (Duchene deal)
$2.5 for Gunarsson
$2.9 mil for Franson
$1.25 mil for Fraser
That's about $9.5 mil in total.
So for next year, that leaves $26.5 mil, not including any cap increase.
assume:
$7 for Kessel
$6 for Phaneuf
$4.5 mil for Bolland
$1.5 for McClement
$4 for Gardiner (assuming a breakout year)
$2.5 for Kulemin (he may walk though)
That's a total of $25.5 spent on those guys, leaving $1 mil in cap room assuming no cap increase.. and we know it will go up at least a few mil. ..
I'm assuming Reimer probably gets moved or is moved before signed. Even if he stays, there is cap room.
So all in all they are in good shape, assuming the team as assembled is good enough to be at least as good as they were this year and hopefully improving with the kids getting better.
Where things could get tricky this year is if Rielly makes the team. his $1.7 maxed out cap hit could cause some challenges. It's unlikely in either case though.
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Corn Flake said:
I'm assuming Kessel will get a bit more on his deal and I'm not sure about Phaneuf. I have a feeling that he'd take a bit less than 6.5 million though, maybe I'm wrong on that.
I do think we'll end up spending a bit more than than what we have this off-season though on our RFA's.
Take away Brennan's hit and move Liles and I think we're okay. I think Liles could be moved to New Jersey, Edmonton or Colorado. We'll see. Besides, I think Rielly is going to get another junior year, unless he absolutely won't learn anything else there.
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bustaheims said:
As far as I can tell they, if Iginla makes his bonuses this year they're 1M+ over on this years cap.
If they defer the bonuses to next year, they've got 5.5M or so to sign 7 or 8 players (one they'll lose is Iginla and also likely Thornton). Maybe they have more with the Savard LTIR 4.5M, but things are definitely getting tight.
They have lots of good players, but the deals they're handing out will eat away at their depth.
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Chev-boyar-sky said:
Capgeek's numbers doesn't include the bonuses in their current cap space. They are, as of right now, ~$1.4M over the cap without any bonuses being achieved. Their overall cap payroll (not real dollar/salary payroll) is ~$70.5M - that's including bonuses that have not been achieved yet. Something like $3.7M of Iginla's bonuses are based on games played (I've read in some places that he receives the entire chunk if he plays 10 games - so, it's relatively safe to assume he'll hit that one, if those reports are accurate). As things stand right now, they have to move ~$1.4M in guaranteed money before the start of season just to play in game #1 without being nailed for any cap circumvention penalties, and, as things stand, if they don't clear even more cap space, if/when Iginla and some of the guys they have on ELCs hit their bonuses, they'll be pushing money into next season. If they don't want that to happen, they'll have to move at least one substantial contract. Savard's $4.027M going on LTIR helps some, but, as we saw with the Leafs a few years ago, LTIR and bonus payments don't always work together in the way we think they do. That situation is a little more tricky and cost the Leafs a carry over penalty of $1.4M from 09/10 into 10/11.
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http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/story/2013/07/08/sp-nhl-hockey-winnipeg-jets-alexander-burmistrov.html
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LittleHockeyFan said:
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/story/2013/07/08/sp-nhl-hockey-winnipeg-jets-alexander-burmistrov.html
That move wasn't really a surprise to anyone in Winnipeg, there were rumours floating around all season that he would goto the KHL in the summer.
Kin
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Kings extend Dustin Brown. 8 years/47 million for an AAV of 5.875 million. Brown, for those of you scoring at home, has hit 60+ points the grand total of once in his career.
http://nhl.si.com/2013/07/18/dustin-brown-la-kings-eight-year-extension/?sct=hp_t2_a8&eref=sihp
http://nhl.si.com/2013/07/18/dustin-brown-la-kings-eight-year-extension/?sct=hp_t2_a8&eref=sihp
Nik the Trik said:
He's hit 50 every season since 07/08, a mark that Clarkson has never hit. His PPG is .605 and Clarksons is .399
I'm not sure if comparing him to Clarkson is what you were doing here, but for 625k more, I think Brown is the better value. 50% greater production and similar play styles for 10% more money.
bustaheims
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Nik the Trik said:
Yeah, but, he did have 5 straight 20+ goal seasons coming into 12/13, and with 18 in 46, he was probably a safe bet to hit that mark again if he stayed healthy. He may not be great value at that AAV, but he's not drastically overpaid or anything - especially considering the deal doesn't kick-in until the 14/15 season when the cap could rise significantly. I'd actually be more concerned that he won't be able to last the full 8 seasons than that he'll produce at a value near what he's being paid for the seasons he's healthy for.
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Deebo said:
I wasn't, for what it's worth and I'd agree(although I think that the "better value" is really just Brown giving LA a discount on what he could get on an open market). With the Clarkson deal signed I was more looking at it through the lens of what the market is in general and how it relates to the point I started a thread about re: contract term.
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bustaheims said:
Yeah, I mean, no arguments. He's a good player. A consistent 25+ goal, 55 point winger is nothing to sneeze at, especially if they can play with a physical edge. My point wasn't so much that he's being overpaid just that he's a good reflection of what the market price is for a second tier scorer. With it in mind I think there are some people, not you, who might want to adjust what they think Kessel might get as a younger player who's a much bigger offensive threat.
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