2012 NHL Entry Draft

[Sudafederov]

Sure glad Duthie held up that remote control, I wouldn't have known what it looked like otherwise.

 

[Zee]

That a boy Burkie, I want 35 defensive prospects in the minors, one day we'll package the depth for a forward!

 

[Bullfrog]

No, because if you have a number one goaltender, then by definition the goalie isn't a consensus number one.

I don't think you understood the question.

I'm afraid it's the other way around.

Per Nik's request (I'm nice that way): consensus no.1 pick means the player is projected to be the no.1 overall pick by most scouting agencies, suggesting he's the best player available, regardless of position.

 

[seahawk]

Good for Radek Faksa!  Howdy partners!

Hopefully he gets sent back for another year in Kitchener.

 

[BermudaBudsFan]

I'm afraid it's the other way around.

It really isn't. The "consensus #1" refers to the hypothetical goaltending prospect.

Get Frog to explain it to you, he got it.

No see, you're a little confused.  Let me assist.  It is really based upon your definition of consensus.  If you have Rinne, for example, as your number one goaltender, then I doubt you as GM of Nashville are in the "consensus".  Whereas, if Crosby is in play, he is really the consensus number one.  Has a goaltender ever been the consensus number one?

 

[Kin]

No see, you're a little confused.  Let me assist.  It is really based upon your definition of consensus.  If you have Rinne, for example, as your number one goaltender, then I doubt you as GM of Nashville are in the "consensus".  Whereas, if Crosby is in play, he is really the consensus number one.  Has a goaltender ever been the consensus number one?

...But the whole crux of what Frog said is that a team's current roster strengths or weakness wouldn't(or shouldn't) influence the way a team drafts. So, by that reasoning, Rinne wouldn't factor into it.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Just watched the video on MapleLeafs.com where Burke says they had Morgan Rielly as the top player in the draft. I wanted one of the reporters to beat him with the microphone.

 

[Bullfrog]

...But the whole crux of what Frog said is that a team's current roster strengths or weakness wouldn't(or shouldn't) influence the way a team drafts. So, by that reasoning, Rinne wouldn't factor into it.

I prefer Froggy; it's less formal.

 

[Kin]

I prefer Froggy; it's less formal.

It's a little mushy for me but I suppose our relationship has reached that level.

 

[maplesyrup]

Just watched the video on MapleLeafs.com where Burke says they had Morgan Rielly as the top player in the draft. I wanted one of the reporters to beat him with the microphone.

Did Burke just offer that or was he asked where he had him? Because you know, ask a stupid question....

 

[Bonsixx]

Murray pronouncing Ceci will provide me with joy for years to come.

 

[Etiam Vultus]

There has been a lot of discussion whether a team should draft based on positional need or best player available.  Greg King may not have known much about hockey, but he had good advice:

Don't argue with idiots because they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.

 

[maplesyrup]

Forsberg and Wilson in the first round... GREAT draft for Washington.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

Wow, Wilson is huge for an 18 year old. That is some serious size right there.

 

[Kin]

Man, the Raptors better draft Austin Rivers.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Just watched the video on MapleLeafs.com where Burke says they had Morgan Rielly as the top player in the draft. I wanted one of the reporters to beat him with the microphone.

Did Burke just offer that or was he asked where he had him? Because you know, ask a stupid question....

He offered it and added that he wasn't saying this just for the sake of it, they really had him as the best player in the draft.

 

[maplesyrup]

Just watched the video on MapleLeafs.com where Burke says they had Morgan Rielly as the top player in the draft. I wanted one of the reporters to beat him with the microphone.

Did Burke just offer that or was he asked where he had him? Because you know, ask a stupid question....

He offered it and added that he wasn't saying this just for the sake of it, they really had him as the best player in the draft.

Well that's interesting to say the least.

 

[Kin]

He offered it and added that he wasn't saying this just for the sake of it, they really had him as the best player in the draft.

There can't possibly be anyone out there that thinks it's a good sign if Burke is that far out of the mainstream, can there?

 

[princedpw]

I'm not sure what point I'm missing as I'm just discussing what I think is the wisest strategy for drafting. I'm not discussing what TSN was talking about.

But that's the context it was being discussed in.

Anyways, if the consensus #1 pick was a goalie and the Habs had it, you'd think they should take a goalie?

This isn't a very helpful hypothetical question for several reasons -- in part because only 1 goaltender will (typically) play in any game or even in any playoff series and in part because a goaltender probably shouldn't ever be a consensus #1.

If the question revolved around the more realistic scenario that you already had the #1 forward (dman) in the world, and had the chance of grabbing the #2 forward (dman) then most would say that will help your team a lot and quite a reasonable selection.  For example, pronger and niedermeyer or Crosby and Malkin teamed successfully to win cups together.  Or, a little less dramatically, the oilers taking yakupov, the consensus #1, when they have recently taken #1 forward picks and are uber-weak on D.  Anyway, I'm also in favour of taking the best available player independent of position. 

As an aside, from everything I've read recently, the #1 overall should never be a goaltender since no one can accurately predict goaltender development and because goaltender performance fluctuates so much.  Fleury was a horrendous pick for the penguins.

 

[Guru Tugginmypuddah]

He offered it and added that he wasn't saying this just for the sake of it, they really had him as the best player in the draft.

There can't possibly be anyone out there that thinks it's a good sign if Burke is that far out of the mainstream, can there?

The smoking gun of why the Leafs still suck?