2012 NHL Entry Draft

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@DavidAlter590

Burke says he had Rielly pegged 1st overall, and not saying that just to hype it #SNTrade

BULLSH!T!!!!

Not only are you smart enough to bypass the built in language censor, but you are privy to the inner workings of Leafs management.

If anything from round 1 of the draft was clear it is that all the mock drafts were way off base from what the real GM's think. If Burke says that Rielly was there top choice I believe him. There has to be at least 10 guys (likely more) connected to the Leafs who are aware of the Leafs ranking. Do you think Burke would kill his credibility with all of them by lying? I don't think so.

 

[Chev-boyar-sky]

Although some could say Burke should 'STFU'.  I'd be more inclined to say it's actually fan comments that cause the most damage to this team.  The fact fans are all over this would be the #1 reason I'd never ever sign as a UFA for the team I grew up idolizing.  Is anything Burke has said that big of a deal?  No.  Leafs got a top 5 player with a top 5 pick.  Nobody here knows what's going to happen down the road.  If you do, you're a better man/woman then the top scouts in the world who've been analyzing these prospects under a microscope.  Burke stating that all things considered, they think Morgan Rielly is #1 is a fact.  The only argument I've seen against that is based off of emotion.

Burke saying he'd do the Kessel trade over again may also be a fact, but that doesn't make it any less ridiculous

If true, I (and others) wish he would STFU about it. Him saying he'd fight Lowe in a barn a few years ago was also ridiculous.

There are countless other examples: Reimer's a true #1 (not right now he ain't), he'll never sign a player longer than 5 years (though he's looking into acquiring one of the worst circumventing the cap type contracts in Luongo) etc. etc. the list goes on.

He really does just need to zip it and let his team do the talking on the ice. He can talk as big and loud as he likes, but the team still is what it is: crappy.

 

[Boston Leaf]

Is Matt Finn any relation to ex Nordique Steve Finn?

 

[Frank E]

Burke has always spoken his mind, and I don't really have a problem with that even if I don't always agree.  He's the boss, and he can say what he wants.

My issue is not with what he says, it's with his execution.

They have a need for a top centre, or two, in the system.  They didn't draft one, and that concerns me. 

I'd be more concerned if Burke was suggesting that they didn't need one, but he's said that they see a need.

I'm willing to withold judgment until training camp, however if we go into the fall with no number one centre I might lose my mind.

 

[Etiam Vultus]

@DavidAlter590

Burke says he had Rielly pegged 1st overall, and not saying that just to hype it #SNTrade

BULLSH!T!!!!

If anything from round 1 of the draft was clear it is that all the mock drafts were way off base from what the real GM's think.

FWIW, Craig Button had Rielly and Finn 3rd and 9th respectively on Craig's List.

 

[Bates]

Just to summerize on Burke. He should STFU. He should not tell media his actual thoughts. He must talk to media as he is GM of Leafs. Sounds easy to me!!

 

[puckhog78]

Just to summerize on Burke. He should STFU. He should not tell media his actual thoughts. He must talk to media as he is GM of Leafs. Sounds easy to me!!

lol awesome. Sums it up nicely.

everyone knows we shouldve drafted the cant miss No1 Centre we need. It's not like he can miss, because he was labelled "Can't miss!" did burke not read the reports?!?

 

[WalterSobchak]

2.  P-o'd about the selection because we needed skilled forwards way more than another guy who is too similar in skills to Gardiner.  I would have rolled the dice on Grigorenko, but would have been happy with Forsberg.  Couldn't care less that they fell a little -- WE need that kind of player.

This is where I struggle with the negativity. Yes. We need this kind of player but just when exactly will Forsberg be ready to step in and be a top six NHL player. One year? Two years? If the player we need NOW isn't available in the draft then you have to try to get him somewhere else and just draft the BPA I think. - It's a long summer... Let's see what happens.

Sorry..this reads exactly like my shampoo bottle. Rinse . Repeat.. We keep hearing every summer to be patient, it's a long summer. It's also been a Long cold winter as well the last 8 years.  :-\

 

[maplesyrup]

2.  P-o'd about the selection because we needed skilled forwards way more than another guy who is too similar in skills to Gardiner.  I would have rolled the dice on Grigorenko, but would have been happy with Forsberg.  Couldn't care less that they fell a little -- WE need that kind of player.

This is where I struggle with the negativity. Yes. We need this kind of player but just when exactly will Forsberg be ready to step in and be a top six NHL player. One year? Two years? If the player we need NOW isn't available in the draft then you have to try to get him somewhere else and just draft the BPA I think. - It's a long summer... Let's see what happens.

Sorry..this reads exactly like my shampoo bottle. Rinse . Repeat.. We keep hearing every summer to be patient, it's a long summer. It's also been a Long cold winter as well the last 8 years.  :-\

Not quite. Let's not lump this into all things wrong with the Leafs over the last 8 years. What this team needs is high end talent - regardless of position. I get that most would have loved a "sexy" forward but the reality is we had the 5th pick. Not the 1st, not the 2nd, but the 5th and the one (maybe two) kids that had the best chance of bumping a player off one of our top two lines by Oct. 13 2012 were gone when our number came up. Everyone one of these kids still (by most accounts) needs more seasoning. Some more than others but were likely taking a couple of years here anyway. Now, look at Edmonton. They took Yakupov because he was the best player when clearly, Murray would have filled a larger hole in their roster. Is anyone on the planet suggesting this was a bad move by Tambellini? No... So why torch Burke for doing the same? My feeling it's just misguided frustration over the fact that we didn't draft the player that in reality, folks really weren't exactly authorities on. I don't get why Burke is getting such a hard time over this, I really don't. There's a ton of material we can roast him for. This isn't one of them.     

 

[donkeyy0]

2.  P-o'd about the selection because we needed skilled forwards way more than another guy who is too similar in skills to Gardiner.  I would have rolled the dice on Grigorenko, but would have been happy with Forsberg.  Couldn't care less that they fell a little -- WE need that kind of player.

This is where I struggle with the negativity. Yes. We need this kind of player but just when exactly will Forsberg be ready to step in and be a top six NHL player. One year? Two years? If the player we need NOW isn't available in the draft then you have to try to get him somewhere else and just draft the BPA I think. - It's a long summer... Let's see what happens.

Sorry..this reads exactly like my shampoo bottle. Rinse . Repeat.. We keep hearing every summer to be patient, it's a long summer. It's also been a Long cold winter as well the last 8 years.  :-\

Forsberg didn't fill a position of need, Grigorenko apparently is likely to move to the wing...at least 1 of these guys won't be playing next year 100% for sure...

If Morrison/Burke/Bergmann thought Rielly was a better player than Grigorenko, then they should pick Rielly.

Finn is a McCabe fan...yikes...

He seems like a really chilled guy. Watching his interview on the website, he seems really comfortable with the media. Not like it really matters, but he seems like a good personality. And a plus that he's half Italian

Really wanted Collberg or Aberg or Frk...but to be honest...I don't think you can pass up Finn.

 

[puckhog78]

2.  P-o'd about the selection because we needed skilled forwards way more than another guy who is too similar in skills to Gardiner.  I would have rolled the dice on Grigorenko, but would have been happy with Forsberg.  Couldn't care less that they fell a little -- WE need that kind of player.

This is where I struggle with the negativity. Yes. We need this kind of player but just when exactly will Forsberg be ready to step in and be a top six NHL player. One year? Two years? If the player we need NOW isn't available in the draft then you have to try to get him somewhere else and just draft the BPA I think. - It's a long summer... Let's see what happens.

Sorry..this reads exactly like my shampoo bottle. Rinse . Repeat.. We keep hearing every summer to be patient, it's a long summer. It's also been a Long cold winter as well the last 8 years.  :-\

Well, the problems before have all stemmed from taking short cuts to a championship, and drafting for need instead of BPA fits squarely into shortcut country. What does not makking the playoffs have to do with who we draft?? Can you please do me a favor and show me who the leafs should have drafted in these three scenarios.

A] having made the playoffs last year and trading for the 5th pick

B] having won the cup last year and trading for the 5th pick

C] having won the cup 6 years ago and finishing with the 5th pick

Hopefully you see my point. It doesnt matter what the Leafs situation is, what their history is, and when the last time they made the playoffs is when it comes to the draft. You ALWAYS draft the BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE. thats it, end of story. If you cant understand that, well there's not much else left to say really.

 

[WalterSobchak]

Not quite. Let's not lump this into all things wrong with the Leafs over the last 8 years. What this team needs is high end talent - regardless of position. I get that most would have loved a "sexy" forward but the reality is we had the 5th pick. Not the 1st, not the 2nd, but the 5th and the one (maybe two) kids that had the best chance of bumping a player off one of our top two lines by Oct. 13 2012 were gone when our number came up. Everyone one of these kids still (by most accounts) needs more seasoning. Some more than others but were likely taking a couple of years here anyway. Now, look at Edmonton. They took Yakupov because he was the best player when clearly, Murray would have filled a larger hole in their roster. Is anyone on the planet suggesting this was a bad move by Tambellini? No... So why torch Burke for doing the same? My feeling it's just misguided frustration over the fact that we didn't draft the player that in reality, folks really weren't exactly authorities on. I don't get why Burke is getting such a hard time over this, I really don't. There's a ton of material we can roast him for. This isn't one of them.   

So it's considered "negativity" if I don't like the way our GM is running the club? You don't like the fact he is getting a hard time. The man himself has said the failure is all on his shoulders.  I don't mind the Rielly pick. I am just saying we keep buying into what he is selling every year, and we come up disappointed. Sure a re-build can be a good idea if patient, but how many years are you going to wait for? What is the criteria for how long we should wait?

 

[WalterSobchak]

Well, the problems before have all stemmed from taking short cuts to a championship, and drafting for need instead of BPA fits squarely into shortcut country. What does not makking the playoffs have to do with who we draft?? Can you please do me a favor and show me who the leafs should have drafted in these three scenarios.

A] having made the playoffs last year and trading for the 5th pick

B] having won the cup last year and trading for the 5th pick

C] having won the cup 6 years ago and finishing with the 5th pick

Hopefully you see my point. It doesnt matter what the Leafs situation is, what their history is, and when the last time they made the playoffs is when it comes to the draft. You ALWAYS draft the BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE. thats it, end of story. If you cant understand that, well there's not much else left to say really.

You had a decent few points here I was going to repsond to but then you got personal.

 

[donkeyy0]

Not quite. Let's not lump this into all things wrong with the Leafs over the last 8 years. What this team needs is high end talent - regardless of position. I get that most would have loved a "sexy" forward but the reality is we had the 5th pick. Not the 1st, not the 2nd, but the 5th and the one (maybe two) kids that had the best chance of bumping a player off one of our top two lines by Oct. 13 2012 were gone when our number came up. Everyone one of these kids still (by most accounts) needs more seasoning. Some more than others but were likely taking a couple of years here anyway. Now, look at Edmonton. They took Yakupov because he was the best player when clearly, Murray would have filled a larger hole in their roster. Is anyone on the planet suggesting this was a bad move by Tambellini? No... So why torch Burke for doing the same? My feeling it's just misguided frustration over the fact that we didn't draft the player that in reality, folks really weren't exactly authorities on. I don't get why Burke is getting such a hard time over this, I really don't. There's a ton of material we can roast him for. This isn't one of them.   

So it's considered "negativity" if I don't like the way our GM is running the club? You don't like the fact he is getting a hard time. The man himself has said the failure is all on his shoulders.  I don't mind the Rielly pick. I am just saying we keep buying into what he is selling every year, and we come up disappointed. Sure a re-build can be a good idea if patient, but how many years are you going to wait for? What is the criteria for how long we should wait?

It's a draft. Unless you're drafting 1st overall, none of the picks made are guaranteed to be impact players right off the bat. The fact that Rielly/Finn/whoever won't suddenly make the Leafs contenders this season isn't a misstep by Burke, it's a reality of the draft. Galchenyuk wasn't gonna make the Leafs a cup contender next season either.

I don't think Burke is infallible, but you ALWAYS pick BPA, especially at the top end of the draft. I'd bet that Morrison et al had Faksa over Grigorenko...who would've been happy with Faksa at #5? Certainly not me.

Criticize Burke for signing Komisarek, or his ridiculous "nothing over 5 years" stance, or any number of stupid moves he's made...but this draft is certainly not a misstep by Burke in my eyes.

 

[maplesyrup]

So it's considered "negativity" if I don't like the way our GM is running the club? You don't like the fact he is getting a hard time. The man himself has said the failure is all on his shoulders.  I don't mind the Rielly pick. I am just saying we keep buying into what he is selling every year, and we come up disappointed. Sure a re-build can be a good idea if patient, but how many years are you going to wait for? What is the criteria for how long we should wait?

Folks are frustrated I get it. 

 

[puckhog78]

Well, the problems before have all stemmed from taking short cuts to a championship, and drafting for need instead of BPA fits squarely into shortcut country. What does not makking the playoffs have to do with who we draft?? Can you please do me a favor and show me who the leafs should have drafted in these three scenarios.

A] having made the playoffs last year and trading for the 5th pick

B] having won the cup last year and trading for the 5th pick

C] having won the cup 6 years ago and finishing with the 5th pick

Hopefully you see my point. It doesnt matter what the Leafs situation is, what their history is, and when the last time they made the playoffs is when it comes to the draft. You ALWAYS draft the BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE. thats it, end of story. If you cant understand that, well there's not much else left to say really.

You had a decent few points here I was going to repsond to but then you got personal.

hey man, i didnt meant to insult you, sorry you took it that way. I was speaking in general terms. 'you' meant anyone that shared the draft for need instead of BPA viewpoint, and im not saying that you [Bman] share that viewpoint. we're all Leafs fans here and we all want the team to win, Im just trying to make the point that some teams employ different systems to win games, yet they all share the BPA philosophy. its really the first rule of drafting in any sport.

 

[rdowdall]

So, JVR eh?

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

Joffrey Lupul ‏@JLupul

Congrats Morgan Rielly on becoming a Maple Leaf. Look forward to playing w you. Now go get me some tape.. #rookie

 

[maplesyrup]

haha!

 

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