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2012 Toronto Blue Jays Thread

"Right now we?re not in sync all the way around. Our offence will get on track. Runs are at a bit of a premium right now", said Farrell.

Oh well, the fans did rain boos down on Santos.  Let's hope the Jays regroup, shake off these losses, and start a mini win streak of their own.  I mean, heck, Larry King (former CNN host) picks the Jays for an upset in the AL East with the Yankees in the wildcard...
 
Do you absolutely need to designate a closer?  Has any team ever done it by committee with reasonable success?

Why can't the relievers just ride it out?  Cordero looked good in the 8th, if he's on his game, why not let him or whoever it happens to be close it out?
 
Manson said:
Do you absolutely need to designate a closer?  Has any team ever done it by committee with reasonable success?

Why can't the relievers just ride it out?  Cordero looked good in the 8th, if he's on his game, why not let him or whoever it happens to be close it out?
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Cordero might be the better option right now anyway.  He's the #2 active saves leader I think.
 
The Marlins suspended crazy Ozzie for 5 games for saying he loved Fidel Castro.  I'm confused as to what he did to earn a suspension there other than being stupid.  The US is funny with their irrational hatred of Cuba.
 
I think Santos's nerves are getting the better of him right now.  He is too amped up.  Once he settles down I believe he'll be fine.  If that means giving Cordero the closer's role for the time being until that happens, that's fine.  But I'd give Santos a couple more weeks to turn things around.

The bigger concern should be the offence right now.  Outside of Johnson and Encarnacion, the team is struggling at the plate.  Arencibia batting less than .100 with only 1 hit?  That has to change.  I thought last night was one of Rasmus's better games.

I don't like seeing the team squandering games like this, particularly against a division rival such as the Red Sox.  These games bite you in the butt at the end of the season.
 
Peter D. said:
I think Santos's nerves are getting the better of him right now.  He is too amped up.  Once he settles down I believe he'll be fine.  If that means giving Cordero the closer's role for the time being until that happens, that's fine.  But I'd give Santos a couple more weeks to turn things around.

The bigger concern should be the offence right now.  Outside of Johnson and Encarnacion, the team is struggling at the plate.  Arencibia batting less than .100 with only 1 hit?  That has to change.  I thought last night was one of Rasmus's better games.

I don't like seeing the team squandering games like this, particularly against a division rival such as the Red Sox.  These games bite you in the butt at the end of the season.
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I think they should just flip Santos and Cordero as setup and closer for the first month to let things settle down a bit.  I didn't get the idea of not having the proven guy in the closer role with the young guy learning as the heir apparent setup man to begin with.  They really can't mess with this for very long, especially if the offense is going to sputter, they need to win these low-scoring games.
 
Peter D. said:
I think Santos's nerves are getting the better of him right now.  He is too amped up.  Once he settles down I believe he'll be fine.  If that means giving Cordero the closer's role for the time being until that happens, that's fine.  But I'd give Santos a couple more weeks to turn things around.

The bigger concern should be the offence right now.  Outside of Johnson and Encarnacion, the team is struggling at the plate.  Arencibia batting less than .100 with only 1 hit?  That has to change.  I thought last night was one of Rasmus's better games.

I don't like seeing the team squandering games like this, particularly against a division rival such as the Red Sox.  These games bite you in the butt at the end of the season.
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Just musing but don't you think the Blue Jays may have 'over-extended' themselves too much in winning all those exhibition games in spring training?  Was it necessary to play some of one's best baseball at a time when these games don't count for much (other than to make the team or prove a player's worth).

Most teams don't bother having such a fantastic spring training -- they start winning when it counts, meaning the regular season.

Exibition games are one thing, and the real ones are another.  It seems that some Blue Jaya are already feeling the 'real' pressure.
 
hockeyfan1 said:
Just musing but don't you think the Blue Jays may have 'over-extended' themselves too much in winning all those exhibition games in spring training?  Was it necessary to play some of one's best baseball at a time when these games don't count for much (other than to make the team or prove a player's worth).
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What should they have done?
 
Manson said:
Do you absolutely need to designate a closer?  Has any team ever done it by committee with reasonable success?

Why can't the relievers just ride it out?  Cordero looked good in the 8th, if he's on his game, why not let him or whoever it happens to be close it out?
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The theory is, and its seem to have been more or less proven, that players respond well to roles. For example, if you're Cordero, you know you're pretty much going out in the 8th inning and your job is to get over to the 9th. As thats the case, he can focus more on the task at hand as opposed to not knowing when he's going to pitch and for how long.
 
bustaheims said:
Borschevsky-Antropov-Kulemin said:
It's two bad outings, folks.
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One bad outing and one bad pitch, really.
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Santos looked like he was too amped up. He was locating his breaking ball but couldn't locate his fastball. Seemed to me like it was a case of overthrowing the pitch. Sure, he was hitting 95mph but it was way off from where Arencibia was calling for it.

The good news is that his stuff is there - plain for everyone to see. He just needs to locate his fastball. I don't think it'll be much of an issue going forward.
 
#1PilarFan said:
The theory is, and its seem to have been more or less proven, that players respond well to roles. For example, if you're Cordero, you know you're pretty much going out in the 8th inning and your job is to get over to the 9th. As thats the case, he can focus more on the task at hand as opposed to not knowing when he's going to pitch and for how long.
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I don't know that it's been proven exactly. The team's who have tried closing by committee haven't had a ton of success but those teams have generally had crappy bullpens to begin with which is why they considered doing something drastic like breaking out of established roles.

I think the way relief pitchers were used in the 1970's, where multiple innings of work were commonplace rather than the exception, probably is a better use of assets.
 
hockeyfan1 said:
Peter D. said:
I think Santos's nerves are getting the better of him right now.  He is too amped up.  Once he settles down I believe he'll be fine.  If that means giving Cordero the closer's role for the time being until that happens, that's fine.  But I'd give Santos a couple more weeks to turn things around.

The bigger concern should be the offence right now.  Outside of Johnson and Encarnacion, the team is struggling at the plate.  Arencibia batting less than .100 with only 1 hit?  That has to change.  I thought last night was one of Rasmus's better games.

I don't like seeing the team squandering games like this, particularly against a division rival such as the Red Sox.  These games bite you in the butt at the end of the season.
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Just musing but don't you think the Blue Jays may have 'over-extended' themselves too much in winning all those exhibition games in spring training?  Was it necessary to play some of one's best baseball at a time when these games don't count for much (other than to make the team or prove a player's worth).

Most teams don't bother having such a fantastic spring training -- they start winning when it counts, meaning the regular season.

Exibition games are one thing, and the real ones are another.  It seems that some Blue Jaya are already feeling the 'real' pressure.
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Like the Yankees for example...or the Phillies...or the Red Sox...or the Braves...right? right?
 
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