2014-15 Prospects Thread

[GhostofPotvin29]

Interesting article on scouting success: http://thehockeywriters.com/the-nhl-has-a-scouting-problem/

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

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Over the past 10 seasons, only 4 players aged 21 or younger have scored 20 or more goals in the SHL - Jakob Silfverberg, Patric Hornqvist, Johan Harju and Andreas Johnson.

 

[Chev-boyar-sky]

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Over the past 10 seasons, only 4 players aged 21 or younger have scored 20 or more goals in the SHL - Jakob Silfverberg, Patric Hornqvist, Johan Harju and Andreas Johnson.

I was coming in here to post about Johnson and there was your post!

Johnson seems like a steal in the 7th round. Nylander, Brown and Johnson seem like a good future core, if they can translate their success to the NHL.

When is he likely to come over to the Marlies? It would seem he's as good a candidate for that as Nylander who's obviously already here.

On another note, I was looking at Gauthier's stats (haven't watched any of his games mind you) and he's around a PPG in the Q which seems pretty disappointing (even if he doesn't project as a big NHL scorer).

Any info/insight on our D prospects? Anyone looking equally as exciting? I have high hopes for Valiev.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

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Over the past 10 seasons, only 4 players aged 21 or younger have scored 20 or more goals in the SHL - Jakob Silfverberg, Patric Hornqvist, Johan Harju and Andreas Johnson.

I was coming in here to post about Johnson and there was your post!

Johnson seems like a steal in the 7th round. Nylander, Brown and Johnson seem like a good future core, if they can translate their success to the NHL.

When is he likely to come over to the Marlies? It would seem he's as good a candidate for that as Nylander who's obviously already here.

On another note, I was looking at Gauthier's stats (haven't watched any of his games mind you) and he's around a PPG in the Q which seems pretty disappointing (even if he doesn't project as a big NHL scorer).

Any info/insight on our D prospects? Anyone looking equally as exciting? I have high hopes for Valiev.

In my opinion, Gauthier is more of a sure bet to be an NHLer than Johnson.

Gauthier will without a doubt be a very good 4th liner and potentially elite 3rd line shutdown guy.

 

[Highlander]

Hope that Johnson is with the Marlies next year. Lets get him playing the north american game asap. I think leaving our top prospects in Europe is not the best way to develop them.
I like Gauthier as well and hope he can become a good two way C with the Marlies.
I feel certain the Big G will make it to the Leafs as the 3rd or 4th for sure

 

[CarltonTheBear]

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Gauthier out with a concussion. Let's hope it's not too serious.

 

[Crucialness Key]

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Gauthier out with a concussion. Let's hope it's not too serious.

Damn right, he has to make the critical backcheck on Filip Forsberg that allows Nylander (fresh off the bench) to go the other way and score the Cup-winning goal!

 

[Highlander]

Not good news at all. :'(

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

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Gauthier out with a concussion. Let's hope it's not too serious.

Damn right, he has to make the critical backcheck on Filip Forsberg that allows Nylander (fresh off the bench) to go the other way and score the Cup-winning goal!

This post made me smile.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

An article by Scott Wheeler on Rinat Valiev, Frederik Gauthier and Carter Verhaeghe.

Some interesting comments on Gauthier's usage:

Still, many were hoping for more a jump in production from the towering centre. On a positive note on the offensive side of things, Gauthier's skating has come a long way, and is no longer something that holds him back. When he entered the QMJHL as a rookie, his stride was shallow and his stance was upright, pushing from the knees. Today, he's got a much wider stance, which allows him to move around the ice more effectively.

It's also important to note that Gauthier is one of the QMJHL's most highly used faceoff men, which leads to him taking nearly every defensive zone draw during tight games. Gauthier took a near-ridiculous 990 faceoffs in just 37 games (28 per game), more than five more per game than the league's leader. Had he played a full year, it wouldn't have been close. He came away winning just shy of 54% of them. In one of my viewings in a Rimouski visit to face the Gatineau Olympiques, Gauthier remained on the ice for six consecutive defensive zone faceoffs with the team holding a late lead.

http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2015/3/25/8280379/three-leafs-prospects-enter-chl-playoffs

 

[L K]

An article by Scott Wheeler on Rinat Valiev, Frederik Gauthier and Carter Verhaeghe.

Some interesting comments on Gauthier's usage:

Still, many were hoping for more a jump in production from the towering centre. On a positive note on the offensive side of things, Gauthier's skating has come a long way, and is no longer something that holds him back. When he entered the QMJHL as a rookie, his stride was shallow and his stance was upright, pushing from the knees. Today, he's got a much wider stance, which allows him to move around the ice more effectively.

It's also important to note that Gauthier is one of the QMJHL's most highly used faceoff men, which leads to him taking nearly every defensive zone draw during tight games. Gauthier took a near-ridiculous 990 faceoffs in just 37 games (28 per game), more than five more per game than the league's leader. Had he played a full year, it wouldn't have been close. He came away winning just shy of 54% of them. In one of my viewings in a Rimouski visit to face the Gatineau Olympiques, Gauthier remained on the ice for six consecutive defensive zone faceoffs with the team holding a late lead.

http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2015/3/25/8280379/three-leafs-prospects-enter-chl-playoffs

I know that 54% is above average but is 54% really a sign of dominance in the faceoff circle?  I mean I would imagine that you are still going up against a lot of people who just aren't very good at faceoffs in junior hockey, including in late game/defensive zone faceoffs.  I just kind of wonder if when discussing  good predictors of future success if a skill that in general is argued to be highly teachable if 54% is truly a sign of mastering faceoffs. 

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

An article by Scott Wheeler on Rinat Valiev, Frederik Gauthier and Carter Verhaeghe.

Some interesting comments on Gauthier's usage:

Still, many were hoping for more a jump in production from the towering centre. On a positive note on the offensive side of things, Gauthier's skating has come a long way, and is no longer something that holds him back. When he entered the QMJHL as a rookie, his stride was shallow and his stance was upright, pushing from the knees. Today, he's got a much wider stance, which allows him to move around the ice more effectively.

It's also important to note that Gauthier is one of the QMJHL's most highly used faceoff men, which leads to him taking nearly every defensive zone draw during tight games. Gauthier took a near-ridiculous 990 faceoffs in just 37 games (28 per game), more than five more per game than the league's leader. Had he played a full year, it wouldn't have been close. He came away winning just shy of 54% of them. In one of my viewings in a Rimouski visit to face the Gatineau Olympiques, Gauthier remained on the ice for six consecutive defensive zone faceoffs with the team holding a late lead.

http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2015/3/25/8280379/three-leafs-prospects-enter-chl-playoffs

I know that 54% is above average but is 54% really a sign of dominance in the faceoff circle?  I mean I would imagine that you are still going up against a lot of people who just aren't very good at faceoffs in junior hockey, including in late game/defensive zone faceoffs.  I just kind of wonder if when discussing  good predictors of future success if a skill that in general is argued to be highly teachable if 54% is truly a sign of mastering faceoffs.

I'm not sure anyone is arguing 54% is a sign of dominance?  Unless I've missed it.  I think it was just trying to say he took a ton of faceoffs this season, and this was his success rate.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I'm not sure anyone is arguing 54% is a sign of dominance?  Unless I've missed it.  I think it was just trying to say he took a ton of faceoffs this season, and this was his success rate.

Not there, but one of Gauthier's most advertised traits is that he's great on faceoffs. QMJHL's site doesn't filter faceoff leaders by draws taken but from my count he has about the 20th best percentage among centres in the Q. If I had to guess what his percentage was before reading that I would have gone a fair bit higher based on that hype.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

I'm not sure anyone is arguing 54% is a sign of dominance?  Unless I've missed it.  I think it was just trying to say he took a ton of faceoffs this season, and this was his success rate.

Not there, but one of Gauthier's most advertised traits is that he's great on faceoffs. QMJHL's site doesn't filter faceoff leaders by draws taken but from my count he has about the 20th best percentage among centres in the Q. If I had to guess what his percentage was before reading that I would have gone a fair bit higher based on that hype.

I did a bit of googling for reports of his faceoff ability and didn't really find anything over the top, most reports were that faceoffs were one of his strengths, which they seem to be.

Maybe people are taking his faceoff showing at the WJHC and thinking faceoffs were being raved about or something.  He's improved every year at them, which I'm guessing is what you want.  No idea how faceoffs translate, how he has fared relative to his age bracket, etc.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Speaking of Gauthier, he's been nominated for best defensive forward in the QMJHL despite only playing in 37 games.

 

[Chev-boyar-sky]

Speaking of Gauthier, he's been nominated for best defensive forward in the QMJHL despite only playing in 37 games.

I'm not saying that's a bad thing or anything but I was surprised that the winners of the award over the last 10 years have had little to no (almost overwhelmingly no) nhl success.

Anyone have names before 2005 that have won the carbonneau award and gone onto significant nhl careers?

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Speaking of Gauthier, he's been nominated for best defensive forward in the QMJHL despite only playing in 37 games.

I'm not saying that's a bad thing or anything but I was surprised that the winners of the award over the last 10 years have had little to no (almost overwhelmingly no) nhl success.

Anyone have names before 2005 that have won the carbonneau award and gone onto significant nhl careers?

No idea, but even the Michel-Bri?re Trophy for MVP of the league has more misses than NHL stars on it.

I think it's pretty meaningless in any event, but figured it was relevant to this thread that he was nominated.

 

[Crucialness Key]

Speaking of Gauthier, he's been nominated for best defensive forward in the QMJHL despite only playing in 37 games.

I'm not saying that's a bad thing or anything but I was surprised that the winners of the award over the last 10 years have had little to no (almost overwhelmingly no) nhl success.

Anyone have names before 2005 that have won the carbonneau award and gone onto significant nhl careers?

No idea, but even the Michel-Bri?re Trophy for MVP of the league has more misses than NHL stars on it.

I think it's pretty meaningless in any event, but figured it was relevant to this thread that he was nominated.

Better than NOT being nominated, right?....

 

[wnc096]

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Over the past 10 seasons, only 4 players aged 21 or younger have scored 20 or more goals in the SHL - Jakob Silfverberg, Patric Hornqvist, Johan Harju and Andreas Johnson.

Johnson was knocked out with knee injury with a pretty dirty hit last week.  https://gfycat.com/BareCompleteFreshwatereel 

Hopefully it isn't serious

 

[princedpw]

Speaking of Gauthier, he's been nominated for best defensive forward in the QMJHL despite only playing in 37 games.

I'm not saying that's a bad thing or anything but I was surprised that the winners of the award over the last 10 years have had little to no (almost overwhelmingly no) nhl success.

Anyone have names before 2005 that have won the carbonneau award and gone onto significant nhl careers?

No idea, but even the Michel-Bri?re Trophy for MVP of the league has more misses than NHL stars on it.

I think it's pretty meaningless in any event, but figured it was relevant to this thread that he was nominated.

Better than NOT being nominated, right?....

I wonder if "defensive talent" as observed by scouts in the minor leagues is something that translates to anything in the NHL.  In other words, is it the case that players observed to be "good defensive players" in the minor leagues turn in to "good defensive players" at the NHL level?  Or is being good defensively at the NHL level independent of what kind of a defensive player you were in junior?  It wouldn't surprise me at all if the latter were true. 

Were guys like Datsyuk, Chara, Bergeron, Toews known as top defenders when they were juniors or were they just the best players all over the ice (something that would be reflected in their offensive stats).

I wonder if scouts should completely dispense with evaluating defensive talent and teams should stop drafting based on "defensive talent" and just take the guys with the top offensive talent/stick skills/skating/etc.