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2015 NHL Entry Draft

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LuncheonMeat said:
According to Dreger, there was an offer of 2 second round picks for Talbot, but that offer was turned down.  It may end up closing the deal, but this is likely a ploy to drive up his price.  Who knows who's telling the truth about anything this week.
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I imagine the Rangers will go back to whatever team that was to see if that offer is still on the table. It's probably the best they're going to see. I'm not surprised they didn't jump on it - that's par for the course this time of the year - but I will be surprised if they end up with more. My guess is whoever offered a pair of 2nd round picks is now looking more seriously at some of the other options on the market.
 
bustaheims said:
LuncheonMeat said:
According to Dreger, there was an offer of 2 second round picks for Talbot, but that offer was turned down.  It may end up closing the deal, but this is likely a ploy to drive up his price.  Who knows who's telling the truth about anything this week.
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I imagine the Rangers will go back to whatever team that was to see if that offer is still on the table. It's probably the best they're going to see. I'm not surprised they didn't jump on it - that's par for the course this time of the year - but I will be surprised if they end up with more. My guess is whoever offered a pair of 2nd round picks is now looking more seriously at some of the other options on the market.
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I'm always surprised teams don't do more preemptive trades. Waiting until the clock ticks midnight may increase the chance at a bigger payoff, but the teams you're trying to do business may go in another direction leaving you with nothing.  This is my worry with the Leafs leading up to draft day, that they'll hold out for a better price and everything will fall apart.

With regard to the Rangers, I'm surprised they didn't take that deal. Given what goalies have been going for lately, 2 seconds isn't a bad return.  Especially if that team was/is Edmonton or Columbus, as speculated, those could be pretty good picks.
 
The Leafs should be up-selling the potential cap benefits you get with Lupul on your team.  Think of all that IR flex money you have when he's not playing.  Some team has to trade for that.
 
Zee said:
The Leafs should be up-selling the potential cap benefits you get with Lupul on your team.  Think of all that IR flex money you have when he's not playing.  Some team has to trade for that.
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Kind of funny, but when the Lupul deal was first made, he was a bit of a throw in.
 
Craig Button said a smart thing!

If hypothetically all of Hanifin, Strome and Marner were all on the board, who do the Leafs prefer?
I think that there is (sic) two parts to that. Number one is that they also pick 24th. When you look at it in light of the 24th pick ? you start to think, is there a forward that you think could be there that could be dynamic like a Mitch Marner? For me, there is just nobody there. Now, could there be a defenceman that fits what you?re looking for, a player that could come into your team and help you? I think there are, I think there are more defencemen in that area. I don?t see anyone like Marner. That?s why I put Marner at four for the Leafs. That?s my philosophy, my thinking; doesn?t mean that?s what the Toronto Maple Leafs are thinking. I tied it in with 24.
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Honestly, that's a pretty terrible strategy. Players who are potentially available at 24 shouldn't influence who the Leafs pick at 4 in any way. If anything it's the other way around. It also seems to me at least that there's a better group of forwards potentially at 24 than there are defencemen.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Honestly, that's a pretty terrible strategy. Players who are potentially available at 24 shouldn't influence who the Leafs pick at 4 in any way. If anything it's the other way around. It also seems to me at least that there's a better group of forwards potentially at 24 than there are defencemen.
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It usually feels that way, though, since defencemen tend to develop more slowly than forwards.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Honestly, that's a pretty terrible strategy. Players who are potentially available at 24 shouldn't influence who the Leafs pick at 4 in any way. If anything it's the other way around. It also seems to me at least that there's a better group of forwards potentially at 24 than there are defencemen.
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Strategically, yes, I agree with you. Looking at the whole picture, I think there are back half defensemen that offer similar skillsets to Hanafin/Provorov that just aren't as refined yet -- Kylington, Juulsen, Roy (unlikely to fall that low). While there are good forwards at the end of the round, there don't seem to be any with the high-tempo 200-ft game of Marner.
 
herman said:
Strategically, yes, I agree with you. Looking at the whole picture, I think there are back half defensemen that offer similar skillsets to Hanafin/Provorov that just aren't as refined yet -- Kylington, Juulsen, Roy (unlikely to fall that low). While there are good forwards at the end of the round, there don't seem to be any with the high-tempo 200-ft game of Marner.
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But given what we know of the back half of any draft the likelihood that those guys develop into top flight players is low so it doesn't make any sense to make the #4 pick with that in mind. That's doubling down on drafting for need when the team has needs everywhere. 
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Bender said:
I don't know about you but I'm getting pretty antsy for draft day. Plus July 1 isn't too far away either!
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I've got ball hockey right at 7pm. So bummed.
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Don't worry, the way these things usually go when they give you a 7:00 p.m. start I'm sure by the time they get to #4 it'll actually be like 9:30.
 
Potvin29 said:
Don't worry, the way these things usually go when they give you a 7:00 p.m. start I'm sure by the time they get to #4 it'll actually be like 9:30.
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Yeah I'm hoping Buffalo congratulates every fan who attended Chicago's Stanley Cup win.
 
bustaheims said:
CarltonTheBear said:
Honestly, that's a pretty terrible strategy. Players who are potentially available at 24 shouldn't influence who the Leafs pick at 4 in any way. If anything it's the other way around. It also seems to me at least that there's a better group of forwards potentially at 24 than there are defencemen.
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It usually feels that way, though, since defencemen tend to develop more slowly than forwards.
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I guess this is true but I've seen figures that say that d-men drafted in the 1st round have a higher % chance of becoming an actual NHL player than forwards, I can't provide a link.
 
hobarth said:
I guess this is true but I've seen figures that say that d-men drafted in the 1st round have a higher % chance of becoming an actual NHL player than forwards, I can't provide a link.
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While that may be true, there are a significant number more elite dmen drafted outside the 1st round than there are elite forwards.
 
bustaheims said:
hobarth said:
I guess this is true but I've seen figures that say that d-men drafted in the 1st round have a higher % chance of becoming an actual NHL player than forwards, I can't provide a link.
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While that may be true, there are a significant number more elite dmen drafted outside the 1st round than there are elite forwards.
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And to that point I'd bet the % of goalies taken in the first round who play at least one NHL game is the highest of all three positions.
 
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