OldTimeHockey
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herman said:
He certainly did. The puck rolled at just the right time to get the quick scoop. The process is quite a bit longer if you do it while the puck is flat on the ice
2018-19 Toronto Maple Leafs - General Discussion
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He certainly did. The puck rolled at just the right time to get the quick scoop. The process is quite a bit longer if you do it while the puck is flat on the ice
hockeyfan1
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How many actually believe this?:
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It is in fact a very well-written, well-researched piece on Leivo and why he may be a Leaf version of a Jonathan Marchassault sample type player.
Checking moneypuck.com myself, with a minimum of 131 minutes playing time, Leivo was second to Matthews in the "x goals in 60" for the 2016-2017 season among Leaf forwards:
x goals in
60 minutes
C Auston Matthews 1.3 (1st)
L Josh Leivo 1.06 (2nd)
However, looking at that same column with the same minimum minutes, Leivo was ninth in that same column ("x goals in 60") for the 2017-2018 season among Leaf forwards:
x goals in
60 minutes
C Auston Matthews 1.09 (1st)
L Josh Leivo 0.71 (9th)
Let's not forget these are small sample stats, since Leivo hasn't played much to begin with.
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It is in fact a very well-written, well-researched piece on Leivo and why he may be a Leaf version of a Jonathan Marchassault sample type player.
Checking moneypuck.com myself, with a minimum of 131 minutes playing time, Leivo was second to Matthews in the "x goals in 60" for the 2016-2017 season among Leaf forwards:
x goals in
60 minutes
C Auston Matthews 1.3 (1st)
L Josh Leivo 1.06 (2nd)
However, looking at that same column with the same minimum minutes, Leivo was ninth in that same column ("x goals in 60") for the 2017-2018 season among Leaf forwards:
x goals in
60 minutes
C Auston Matthews 1.09 (1st)
L Josh Leivo 0.71 (9th)
Let's not forget these are small sample stats, since Leivo hasn't played much to begin with.
herman
Well-known member
Frank E said:
Stylistically, in the OZ, they're pretty similar as opportunistic RH shooters. Leivo is a bigger body, but Marchessault is faster on the rush, more laterally agile, and sneakier in finding soft ice. i.e. Marchessault creates more of his own opportunities due to his mobility. Leivo is a similar level in terms of raw finish, but very dependent for chance generation.
It's why they both struggled with bottom-6 linemates, but Marchessault, when given the chance and time, has flourished with skilled partners. Leivo would be very productive across from Nylander, or Marner, or Kadri, but he is perceived to give up more than he scores over the likes of Johnsson and Hyman and Marleau.
Coco-puffs
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Dellow took a deep dive into the Leafs D being sheltered over the past few days and his output is really, really, good:
https://theathletic.com/468934/2018/08/15/dellow-how-mike-babcock-and-others-are-sheltering-defencemen-while-playing-them-against-top-opposition/
Main takeaways:
- Everyone says QoC doesn't matter very much, but that might be more about how we collect that data than anything else because:
- Coming onto the ice against Top 6 forwards after they've already been on the ice for 30 seconds (and the puck is going into the offensive zone) will boost your QoC metric, but mostly, they are sheltered minutes and aren't very dangerous
Earlier, he had graphs that showed Carrick was among the leaders in "latest into a Top-6 shift you get thrown out there" at 30 seconds.
A commenter did the math on Carrick's results taking out this form of sheltering:
WOOF. Maybe any of us wishing for Carrick to move up the lineup should re-consider.
Of note, Polak, Borgman, and Dermott also saw this heavy form of sheltering. Borgman's numbers were worse than Carrick- but how much of that might have been due to carrying around Polak's carcass? Polak's results weren't that good, AND he was heavily sheltered. Good riddance. (So yes, we should have always been yelling for Carrick over Polak- but only on the bottom pair)
Dellow didn't provide more data on Dermott in these minutes which I would have liked to see. However, he had the strongest numbers across the board for guys who were sheltered. I'm looking forward to seeing if he can still do well in a Top-4 role and I hope he gets that chance this year.
https://theathletic.com/468934/2018/08/15/dellow-how-mike-babcock-and-others-are-sheltering-defencemen-while-playing-them-against-top-opposition/
Main takeaways:
- Everyone says QoC doesn't matter very much, but that might be more about how we collect that data than anything else because:
- Coming onto the ice against Top 6 forwards after they've already been on the ice for 30 seconds (and the puck is going into the offensive zone) will boost your QoC metric, but mostly, they are sheltered minutes and aren't very dangerous
Earlier, he had graphs that showed Carrick was among the leaders in "latest into a Top-6 shift you get thrown out there" at 30 seconds.
A commenter did the math on Carrick's results taking out this form of sheltering:
WOOF. Maybe any of us wishing for Carrick to move up the lineup should re-consider.
Of note, Polak, Borgman, and Dermott also saw this heavy form of sheltering. Borgman's numbers were worse than Carrick- but how much of that might have been due to carrying around Polak's carcass? Polak's results weren't that good, AND he was heavily sheltered. Good riddance. (So yes, we should have always been yelling for Carrick over Polak- but only on the bottom pair)
Dellow didn't provide more data on Dermott in these minutes which I would have liked to see. However, he had the strongest numbers across the board for guys who were sheltered. I'm looking forward to seeing if he can still do well in a Top-4 role and I hope he gets that chance this year.
Frank E said:
This is why sites like PPP and TLN post their summer rankings day by day.
L K
Active member
Frank E said:
I'm sure I will rant about it all year but it is really unfortunate that at best we face Tampa in the second round because of the playoff formatting. There is no guarantee that Tampa and Toronto finish 1-2 in the East but I don't like the idea that you have a system that ends up with very unbalanced playoff seeding.
https://twitter.com/dcmahiban/status/1032283713533562886
So close.
So close.
hockeyfan1
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Ah, shinny...GO TAVARES GO! 
Very interesting group there. Two females: everyone knows Wickenheiser of course, Needham is more of an unknown name but it looks like she owns a hockey school called Legend Hockey that does a lot of NCAA stuff.
Vic Carneiro has a Dubas-connection as he worked with him in Sault Ste. Marie. Dubas promoted him to the role of Director of Player Personnel there after inheriting him as a scout. He's been an OHL scout since 1999, first working with the London Knights right when the Hunter's bought the team.
Vic Carneiro has a Dubas-connection as he worked with him in Sault Ste. Marie. Dubas promoted him to the role of Director of Player Personnel there after inheriting him as a scout. He's been an OHL scout since 1999, first working with the London Knights right when the Hunter's bought the team.