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2018 World Junior Allegations

https://twitter.com/rwesthead/status/1552318784123420673

Genuinely incredible that the people at Hockey Canada think they should stay in their jobs.
 
Nik said:
https://twitter.com/rwesthead/status/1552318784123420673

Genuinely incredible that the people at Hockey Canada think they should stay in their jobs.
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In other news Jake Virtanen was found not guilty by members of a jury.  I didn't find any additional details on it so I don't know how I feel about it.
 
Gawd, I hope this finally upheaves the disgusting hockey "culture" that has been considered cool and normal all these years.
 
As far as the Graham James settlements, I don't really have an issue with them settling other than the fact that it should have been announced by HC...but then maybe the victims didn't want that.
 
Significantly Insignificant said:
In other news Jake Virtanen was found not guilty by members of a jury.  I didn't find any additional details on it so I don't know how I feel about it.
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Crown could not demonstrate to the jury beyond a reasonable doubt that the plaintiff committed the crime(s) he was accused of. These cases often devolve into:
1) look how good the accused person is (sometimes)
2) look how imperfect the complainant is and all these things they did that could be misconstrued or call their character into question (e.g. she helped him hold his hair while he vomited profusely from inebriation)

basically the deck is stacked against the victim(s)
 
Significantly Insignificant said:
In other news Jake Virtanen was found not guilty by members of a jury.  I didn't find any additional details on it so I don't know how I feel about it.
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I didn't follow that particular case so I can't speak about it specifically but I do know that just the nature of what sexual assault is makes it very difficult to get a conviction.
 
herman said:
Significantly Insignificant said:
In other news Jake Virtanen was found not guilty by members of a jury.  I didn't find any additional details on it so I don't know how I feel about it.
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Crown could not demonstrate to the jury beyond a reasonable doubt that the plaintiff committed the crime(s) he was accused of. These cases often devolve into:
1) look how good the accused person is (sometimes)
2) look how imperfect the complainant is and all these things they did that could be misconstrued or call their character into question (e.g. she helped him hold his hair while he vomited profusely from inebriation)

basically the deck is stacked against the victim(s)
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I agree completely, what is the alternative though?

If you're accused of a crime you're automatically guilty?

I have been a victim of a crime like this, but I have a hard time with people on my side of the aisle willingness to ruin an accused's life based on an allegation.

 
WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:
herman said:
I agree completely, what is the alternative though?

If you're accused of a crime you're automatically guilty?
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I don't think there needs to be an alternative to anything. Just the recognition that at it's best the criminal justice system is imperfect at determining guilt or innocence and that, rightly or wrongly, it puts a higher burden of proof on establishing guilt than it does innocence which makes it especially bad when it comes to sexual assault.

Flawed systems will produce some flawed results. I don't think that's a particularly controversial thing to say and we all sort of have to decide for ourselves what we think about individual cases.
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Nik said:
I don't think there needs to be an alternative to anything. Just the recognition that at it's best the criminal justice system is imperfect at determining guilt or innocence and that, rightly or wrongly, it puts a higher burden of proof on establishing guilt than it does innocence which makes it especially bad when it comes to sexual assault.

Flawed systems will produce some flawed results. I don't think that's a particularly controversial thing to say and we all sort of have to decide for ourselves what we think about individual cases.
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That's reasonable, but the current zeitgeist seems to be that we believe all victims, which is a noble endeavor.

It does not account for the wrongly accused though, it's a tough one as I think there has been an overcorrection.
 
WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:
Nik said:
I don't think there needs to be an alternative to anything. Just the recognition that at it's best the criminal justice system is imperfect at determining guilt or innocence and that, rightly or wrongly, it puts a higher burden of proof on establishing guilt than it does innocence which makes it especially bad when it comes to sexual assault.

Flawed systems will produce some flawed results. I don't think that's a particularly controversial thing to say and we all sort of have to decide for ourselves what we think about individual cases.
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That's reasonable, but the current zeitgeist seems to be that we believe all victims, which is a noble endeavor.

It does not account for the wrongly accused though, it's a tough one as I think there has been an overcorrection.
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That's probably a natural correction though to the under reaction that occurred in the past, and if you were looking at it on a scale, I don't think that scale is anywhere close to being balanced.
 
WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:
That's reasonable, but the current zeitgeist seems to be that we believe all victims, which is a noble endeavor.

It does not account for the wrongly accused though, it's a tough one as I think there has been an overcorrection.
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I don't know to what extent the current zeitgeist actually has any impact on anything though. I can think of quite a few credible accusations of sexual or domestic assault against prominent figures in recent years that didn't really seem to have any impact on them getting seats on the Supreme Court or signing 300 million dollar deals with Disney or winning Grammys so I don't know that this noble endeavor actually has a ton of meaningful effect outside of some corners of the internet.
 
Nik said:
https://twitter.com/rwesthead/status/1552318784123420673

Genuinely incredible that the people at Hockey Canada think they should stay in their jobs.
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https://twitter.com/rwesthead/status/1553379064223760385
 
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