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2020-2021 NHL Thread

Not sure how legitimate this is but it looks like an Arizona radio station is reporting that the Coyotes are renouncing their pick of Miller:

https://arizonasports.com/story/2437896/coyotes-renouncing-rights-of-2020-4th-round-draft-pick-mitchell-miller/

I really hope there's a lesson in all this. It's not, as dopes on twitter are trying to paint it, that you can't make "mistakes" or that someone got "canceled" but rather that serious actions have serious consequences and that second chances at positions of immense reward need to be earned. Miller probably spent the last few years going to all sorts of travel hockey games and early morning practices but someone really needed to impress on him that if he wanted to make it in an industry that relies on public relations, he was going to need to have some serious proof that he'd become a different person.
 
I wonder if the org would've done anything if the story didn't blow up the way it did, because it kind of reads like either:
a) we did not do sufficient background checks into a player that has a published issue
b) we made this decision knowing the full story, but now that y'all found out about it and made a fuss, we gotta smooth it out
 
CarltonTheBear said:
AHL is looking at a similar start date:

https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1321533485169938433
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https://twitter.com/tsn1200/status/1321891170797191168

One of the ideas being discussed is the AHL teams basically following their parent clubs around and facing the other AHL team that same day/night. Western conference AHL clubs are the ones that need temporary relocation if that plan goes ahead.
 
Nik said:
Not sure how legitimate this is but it looks like an Arizona radio station is reporting that the Coyotes are renouncing their pick of Miller:

https://arizonasports.com/story/2437896/coyotes-renouncing-rights-of-2020-4th-round-draft-pick-mitchell-miller/

I really hope there's a lesson in all this. It's not, as dopes on twitter are trying to paint it, that you can't make "mistakes" or that someone got "canceled" but rather that serious actions have serious consequences and that second chances at positions of immense reward need to be earned. Miller probably spent the last few years going to all sorts of travel hockey games and early morning practices but someone really needed to impress on him that if he wanted to make it in an industry that relies on public relations, he was going to need to have some serious proof that he'd become a different person.
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Exactly. If this kid would have actually made a real attempt to make amends for his actions, I'd be all for the second chance. Heck I may even route for the kid if he had learned from his actions and tried to make a difference out there by fighting against his past failings by helping other people.

It sounds like he did none of that until teams started backing away from him. I'm sorry. That's not enough.
I'd also like to give his parents a smack too for not ensuring their 12, 13, 14 year old wasn't properly disciplined at that time. They have also failed.
 
OldTimeHockey said:
I'd also like to give his parents a smack too for not ensuring their 12, 13, 14 year old wasn't properly disciplined at that time. They have also failed.
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Hatred is a learned behaviour. His parents taught him well.
herman said:
I wonder if the org would've done anything if the story didn't blow up the way it did, because it kind of reads like either:
a) we did not do sufficient background checks into a player that has a published issue
b) we made this decision knowing the full story, but now that y'all found out about it and made a fuss, we gotta smooth it out
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I don't care how they came to the decision, just that they made the right call. I heard today that even after the court and all that, he continued to bully this kid according to his mom. Add in the fact he never formally apologized, it became an easy decision. Well done Yotes.
 
Guilt Trip said:
OldTimeHockey said:
I'd also like to give his parents a smack too for not ensuring their 12, 13, 14 year old wasn't properly disciplined at that time. They have also failed.
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Hatred is a learned behaviour. His parents taught him well.
herman said:
I wonder if the org would've done anything if the story didn't blow up the way it did, because it kind of reads like either:
a) we did not do sufficient background checks into a player that has a published issue
b) we made this decision knowing the full story, but now that y'all found out about it and made a fuss, we gotta smooth it out
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I don't care how they came to the decision, just that they made the right call. I heard today that even after the court and all that, he continued to bully this kid according to his mom. Add in the fact he never formally apologized, it became an easy decision. Well done Yotes.
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The victim's parents also said there is video of Miller smashing their son's head against a brick wall and that Miller pled guilty to assault in an effort for that video not to be released. I can't imagine that this kid feels any iota of regret, except when pertaining to his NHL prospects. And with Arizona continuing to praise and defend Miller even after the story came out I don't give them any measure of credit for their decision.
 
I'm all for giving kids a second chance in most cases, but this kid has a serious problem and no one, either him or his family seem to understand that.
 
Neither of the two renunciations included anything about changing their procedures and protocols henceforth to prevent further issues like this.
 
I'm a little more surprised that he was cut from there. Not really saying whether he should or shouldn't have been, I just thought the Coyotes mostly did it because of the national public pressure and that's less of an issue for the school.

Then I also wondered, is the NCAA hockey even happening this season? I haven't really heard much about it and it's hard to keep up with all the various NCAA sports.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
I'm a little more surprised that he was cut from there. Not really saying whether he should or shouldn't have been, I just thought the Coyotes mostly did it because of the national public pressure and that's less of an issue for the school.
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Likewise. Especially with UND where they have a somewhat checkered history with repudiating racially controversial subject matter. Although, that said, it may be that history that had them choosing to be more sensitive to public sentiment about the subject.
 
Bullfrog said:
A teenager sticking up for her brother?

I guess I just don't see the humour.
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I don't think it's particularly funny and I do get the instinct to stick up for a family member and I get that this is a teenager rather than a PR professional but this is a really, really bad way of defending him because what it does, I feel, is actually sort of reinforce the idea that there isn't a lot of remorse or lessons having been learned.

Because basically here are the points made:

1) Her brother's a good guy
2) He made a mistake
3) You can learn from mistakes
4) My brother and family are the last people to be racist.
5) Me and my brother have a lot of black friends
6) Society shouldn't "ruin" things for people
7) This story isn't "one-sided"

So, to take them one by one:

1) I can't judge what sort of person he is deep down but her brother did very, very bad things and admitted to them in court

2) As I said earlier, this wasn't a "mistake" but a pattern of behaviour

3) This is true although there's not a ton of evidence that this happened

4) Her brother did, and admitted to doing, racist things. Sort of automatically that means he's not the last person I'd think who would be racist.

5) I mean...this is a little funny.

6) Society, I think, would argue that Miller ruined this for himself.

7) Woof. I'm sure the developmentally disabled kid did some horrible things to the athlete too.

There's no real contrition here. No apology. No demonstration of remorse. This sounds like a great big warning flag that no lessons were learned and Miller hasn't really grown as a person. So it's not really defending him in the way I think would be productive. Again, I get it that she's a kid trying to defend her brother but I really think this is just digging deeper.
 
Nik said:
There's no real contrition here. No apology. No demonstration of remorse. This sounds like a great big warning flag that no lessons were learned and Miller hasn't really grown as a person. So it's not really defending him in the way I think would be productive. Again, I get it that she's a kid trying to defend her brother but I really think this is just digging deeper.
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I think one could argue that it's even worse than that...she's giving him a permission structure to feel unfairly treated by society which is even less likely to push him down any remedial paths. A chronic abuser cannot turn the corner until having confronted the monster he/she is and accepting responsibility for it. It would appear questionable (at best) that he's done this, so her now giving him an "out" would seem pretty counterproductive.
 
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