2021 Blue Jays General Discussion Thread

[Highlander]

Some concerning news, is rumoured that Pete Walker will be offered the Managers post with the Mets.
Hate to lose Pete, he has been a big part of turning pitchers around and getting the best out of everyone.

 

[Kin]

Some concerning news, is rumoured that Pete Walker will be offered the Managers post with the Mets.
Hate to lose Pete, he has been a big part of turning pitchers around and getting the best out of everyone.

Yeah, I don't think this is particularly true. He's been reported as a candidate that the Mets are interested in but I haven't seen anything close to a credible rumour that he's definitely going to get offered the job.

 

[dappleganger]

Some concerning news, is rumoured that Pete Walker will be offered the Managers post with the Mets.
Hate to lose Pete, he has been a big part of turning pitchers around and getting the best out of everyone.

Yeah, I don't think this is particularly true. He's been reported as a candidate that the Mets are interested in but I haven't seen anything close to a credible rumour that he's definitely going to get offered the job.

Pay him more. He's in charge of what $80m? of inventory. Get him paid. Less stress of not being the Manager. Easy peasy.

 

[Joe S.]

Not to say thag this is true but I haven?t even heard if he?s interviewed for the job or that the Mets have even spoken to him. I think this is all based on a Morosi tweet that had no substance to it.

https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/1468667917403234305?s=20

 

[Kin]

Pay him more. He's in charge of what $80m? of inventory. Get him paid. Less stress of not being the Manager. Easy peasy.

If a guy wants to be a manager and you're not prepared to make him one I think it's generally understood that you'll let them take an offer. I think Walker has done a generally very good job and would like the Jays to keep him but I also don't think the guy is an irreplaceable miracle worker.

 

[bustaheims]

Not to say thag this is true but I haven?t even heard if he?s interviewed for the job or that the Mets have even spoken to him. I think this is all based on a Morosi tweet that had no substance to it.

https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/1468667917403234305?s=20

If he was being considered, he's not anymore:

https://twitter.com/NYPost_Mets/status/1470776335140368390

 

[dappleganger]

Pay him more. He's in charge of what $80m? of inventory. Get him paid. Less stress of not being the Manager. Easy peasy.

If a guy wants to be a manager and you're not prepared to make him one I think it's generally understood that you'll let them take an offer. I think Walker has done a generally very good job and would like the Jays to keep him but I also don't think the guy is an irreplaceable miracle worker.

Irreplaceable miracle worker? No, of course not, he's just a cog in the machine but a guy that helps you build success. Is he as valuable to the club's success as Charlie Montoyo? I'd say he's more valuable.

 

[Kin]

Irreplaceable miracle worker? No, of course not, he's just a cog in the machine but a guy that helps you build success. Is he as valuable to the club's success as Charlie Montoyo? I'd say he's more valuable.

Which is fair enough but if the way to keep him around is give him Montoyo's job you'd be removing him from doing the thing he's proven valuable at and asking him to do a wildly different job he may or may not be good at and have to replace him as pitching coach anyways.

 

[dappleganger]

Irreplaceable miracle worker? No, of course not, he's just a cog in the machine but a guy that helps you build success. Is he as valuable to the club's success as Charlie Montoyo? I'd say he's more valuable.

Which is fair enough but if the way to keep him around is give him Montoyo's job you'd be removing him from doing the thing he's proven valuable at and asking him to do a wildly different job he may or may not be good at and have to replace him as pitching coach anyways.

No, no, no. Just pay him like a Manager as the Pitching coach.

 

[Kin]

No, no, no. Just pay him like a Manager as the Pitching coach.

Right but you were responding to my post where I said "if he wants to be a Manager..." so I was going with that as the supposition for why he was interested in the Mets job as opposed to just money.

Although, as pointed out, this all seems to be moot as he doesn't appear to still be in the running(if he ever really was). Honestly though, as much as I like him as a Pitching coach I think the difference in how much you'd have to pay him and what he's worth vs. using that money on an actual baseball player and finding the next best pitching coach you can probably doesn't favour trying to outbid a New York team on a guy they want to manage(which, again, it seems like they don't).

 

[Joe S.]

Not to say thag this is true but I haven?t even heard if he?s interviewed for the job or that the Mets have even spoken to him. I think this is all based on a Morosi tweet that had no substance to it.

https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/1468667917403234305?s=20

If he was being considered, he's not anymore:

https://twitter.com/NYPost_Mets/status/1470776335140368390

Showalter is the manager the Mets deserve.

 

[Joe S.]

https://mobile.twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1472277534339473417?t=Oj7gz9h9S1m7kV2s2aPviw&s=08

And so he is.

 

[L K]

Baseball writers are stupid.  60 of the vote is in and Ortiz is sitting at 83% to get into the hall of fame on his first ballot.  Either care about steroids or don?t. 

 

[Guilt Trip]

Baseball writers are stupid.  60 of the vote is in and Ortiz is sitting at 83% to get into the hall of fame on his first ballot.  Either care about steroids or don?t. 

But Ortiz is a nice guy..Bonds wasn't. The writers are a joke.

 

[Kin]

International signing day today and the Jays big get seems to be this kid Luis Meza from Venezuela. The Jays had one of the lowest bonus pools for today and it looks like they're trying to sign a few guys instead of going all in for one of the top guys.

 

[Kin]

https://twitter.com/BlueJays/status/1483190067606831106

Shoutout to Eminems Flores.

 

[L K]

And it?s official MLB doesn?t tolerate steroid users.  Congratulations David Ortiz??????????.

 

[Guilt Trip]

And it?s official MLB doesn?t tolerate steroid users.  Congratulations David Ortiz??????????.

Haha, what a joke. As far as I remember Bonds never tested positive for steroids did he? Ortiz did. Greatest home run hitter ever, nope..One of the greatest pitchers ever, nope. The all time leading hitter, nope. Like I said it's a joke.

 

[bustaheims]

And it?s official MLB doesn?t tolerate steroid users.  Congratulations David Ortiz??????????.

Haha, what a joke. As far as I remember Bonds never tested positive for steroids did he? Ortiz did. Greatest home run hitter ever, nope..One of the greatest pitchers ever, nope. The all time leading hitter, nope. Like I said it's a joke.

There are questions around the validity of the series of tests that Ortiz tested positive on. At least 10 of the 104 positive results were deemed to be false positives, but who they were was never released.

https://www.audacy.com/weei/sports/red-sox/reporter-who-broke-ped-stories-defends-david-ortiz

Bonds and Clemens not getting in is stupid. I get making them wait - they were basically the poster boys for PEDs, and there are enough corroborating witnesses that the lack of a positive test doesn?t mean much (absence of evidence not being evidence of absence and all) - but that wait should have been 3-5 years, not 10+.

 

[Guilt Trip]

And it?s official MLB doesn?t tolerate steroid users.  Congratulations David Ortiz??????????.

Haha, what a joke. As far as I remember Bonds never tested positive for steroids did he? Ortiz did. Greatest home run hitter ever, nope..One of the greatest pitchers ever, nope. The all time leading hitter, nope. Like I said it's a joke.

There are questions around the validity of the series of tests that Ortiz tested positive on. At least 10 of the 104 positive results were deemed to be false positives, but who they were was never released.

https://www.audacy.com/weei/sports/red-sox/reporter-who-broke-ped-stories-defends-david-ortiz

Bonds and Clemens not getting in is stupid. I get making them wait - they were basically the poster boys for PEDs, and there are enough corroborating witnesses that the lack of a positive test doesn?t mean much (absence of evidence not being evidence of absence and all) - but that wait should have been 3-5 years, not 10+.

If Binds retired before the steroid era, he still would have had a hall of fame career. Now their 10 year window is up the chances they ever get in is even smaller...sad because they did nothing wrong. Steroids wasn't tested for and you and I know that MLB knew exactly what was going on. Funny how all the other guys that used uppers and whatever is deemed ok.