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2023 Draft Discussion

Nik said:
Significantly Insignificant said:
It could be used as a lever that transitions the NHL away from the draft. 
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Except what you're suggesting both does away with the primary reason for the draft(giving the worst teams exclusive negotiating rights to the best prospects) while also not allowing for the mechanics of the salary cap to push those players to the teams with the most cap space(Again, usually the worst teams). It's more radical, and worse for "competitive balance" than simply getting rid of the draft altogether.

Significantly Insignificant said:
So order would go out the window.  It would be a negotiation priority slot.  Your first slot would be used on a player, but you can't use your slot on a player that a team has used a higher slot than you.
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Or maybe not. After this paragraph I don't know what you're suggesting.
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Basically a pick becomes a negotiation slot. Each team only has 1 negotiation slot in each tier.  The tier is important because it stops a 7th round tier slot from being used on a 1st round tier player that another team added to their negotiation list. 

So the order may still matter because that is what dictates who sets the tone for the tier.  Chicago says that they want to use their 1st tier negotiation slot on Connor Beddard.  Now every other team has a choice.  Do they want to use their first tier negotiation slot on Connor Beddard?  Do they think they have a chance to sign him?  Any team that does has the option to negotiate with Connor Beddard at that point after the draft.  Then you go to the second tier slot.  Any player that was not flagged in the first tier negotiation slots is now free to be marked as someone who will be negotiated with.  So you could trade your tier slots, and give some teams an additional tier slot in a round so that they could flag Connor Beddard and some other player as those that they want to negotiate with. 

The intention would be to give teams the right to declare negotiation interest with players, but for the players they could have multiple teams interested in them and they may be able to have some choice in where they want to go.  It stops an all out bidding war on every player in some cases by giving some teams some exclusivity, while also giving some players multiple options of where they play.  The team has a choice on whether they want to burn a negotiation slot on a player that some other team has expressed an interest in negotiating with.  Any player that has not had a negotiation slot used on them would become a free agent.

I agree that I would love to see a free market system, similar to what is used in soccer, but I don't think the NHL is going to get there over night, so loosening some of the constraints around draft rights might be a step in the right direction.   
 
Significantly Insignificant said:
Basically a pick becomes a negotiation slot. Each team only has 1 negotiation slot in each tier.  The tier is important because it stops a 7th round tier slot from being used on a 1st round tier player that another team added to their negotiation list. 

So the order may still matter because that is what dictates who sets the tone for the tier.  Chicago says that they want to use their 1st tier negotiation slot on Connor Beddard.  Now every other team has a choice.  Do they want to use their first tier negotiation slot on Connor Beddard?  Do they think they have a chance to sign him?  Any team that does has the option to negotiate with Connor Beddard at that point after the draft.  Then you go to the second tier slot.  Any player that was not flagged in the first tier negotiation slots is now free to be marked as someone who will be negotiated with.  So you could trade your tier slots, and give some teams an additional tier slot in a round so that they could flag Connor Beddard and some other player as those that they want to negotiate with. 

The intention would be to give teams the right to declare negotiation interest with players, but for the players they could have multiple teams interested in them and they may be able to have some choice in where they want to go.  It stops an all out bidding war on every player in some cases by giving some teams some exclusivity, while also giving some players multiple options of where they play.  The team has a choice on whether they want to burn a negotiation slot on a player that some other team has expressed an interest in negotiating with.  Any player that has not had a negotiation slot used on them would become a free agent.

I agree that I would love to see a free market system, similar to what is used in soccer, but I don't think the NHL is going to get there over night, so loosening some of the constraints around draft rights might be a step in the right direction.   
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Yeah. You're just replacing a simple, albeit flawed system, with a more complicated, flawed system.
 
Hudson Malinoski was ranked 96th on Corey Pronman's draft rankings with the Athletic (super weirdly enough, 1 spot behind Easton Cowan):

Background
A second-year draft eligible who experienced a later-than-usual growth spurt, Malinoski was a top player in the AJHL this season and for Canada West at the World Jr. A Challenge. He is committed to Providence College.

Analysis
Malinoski's skating is quite intriguing. He has a fluid, powerful stride that will let him carry pucks up ice in the pro game. He has a good stick and offensive instincts and can make highly-skilled plays on the move. He's played some center in junior but I'm guessing he's a winger against better players. That's mostly because I don't see him as a great off-the-puck type or that physical a forward, although he doesn't shy from going to the net. If he adds a little more of those dimensions there's a lot of pieces here of an NHL forward.
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CarltonTheBear said:
Hudson Malinoski was ranked 96th on Corey Pronman's draft rankings with the Athletic (super weirdly enough, 1 spot behind Easton Cowan):
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If you're wondering... the 97th prospect on Corey's list, Tuomas Uronen, is still available as Toronto's 6th round pick approaches.
 
bustaheims said:
Significantly Insignificant said:
Basically a pick becomes a negotiation slot. Each team only has 1 negotiation slot in each tier.  The tier is important because it stops a 7th round tier slot from being used on a 1st round tier player that another team added to their negotiation list. 

So the order may still matter because that is what dictates who sets the tone for the tier.  Chicago says that they want to use their 1st tier negotiation slot on Connor Beddard.  Now every other team has a choice.  Do they want to use their first tier negotiation slot on Connor Beddard?  Do they think they have a chance to sign him?  Any team that does has the option to negotiate with Connor Beddard at that point after the draft.  Then you go to the second tier slot.  Any player that was not flagged in the first tier negotiation slots is now free to be marked as someone who will be negotiated with.  So you could trade your tier slots, and give some teams an additional tier slot in a round so that they could flag Connor Beddard and some other player as those that they want to negotiate with. 

The intention would be to give teams the right to declare negotiation interest with players, but for the players they could have multiple teams interested in them and they may be able to have some choice in where they want to go.  It stops an all out bidding war on every player in some cases by giving some teams some exclusivity, while also giving some players multiple options of where they play.  The team has a choice on whether they want to burn a negotiation slot on a player that some other team has expressed an interest in negotiating with.  Any player that has not had a negotiation slot used on them would become a free agent.

I agree that I would love to see a free market system, similar to what is used in soccer, but I don't think the NHL is going to get there over night, so loosening some of the constraints around draft rights might be a step in the right direction.   
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Yeah. You're just replacing a simple, albeit flawed system, with a more complicated, flawed system.
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So on the first point, any system is going to be flawed.  No system will be perfect because there will always be loopholes, and there will always be advantages and disadvantages based on where someone or some team slots in the system, regardless of what the system is.

What I dislike about the draft system today is that a player gets very little choice over where they want to go.  We have seen a couple players try and buck the system and dictate where they want to go, but even then they have very little say in what happens to them.  Lemieux threatened it, but backed down, and Lindros forced a trade, but didn't get to choose where he wanted to go.  Also I feel the draft impedes the ability to build a team properly, because you have to take multiple years to get to a point where you are competitive.  So the goal would be to introduce flexibility into the rules.  To make it simpler you could just reduce the time on draft rights to one year, and say that the team that drafts you gets one year to sign you and if they don't you are a free agent, but that burns a year of the players career.   

The complexity comes from the flexibility because I don't think the NHL will ever move immediately to a point where 18 year old's are free to negotiate with any team as soon as they are eligible.  I understand that the NHL would never openly move to any system where the player has more power, because why would they?  If they could be sold on the fact that a change to the system would make the product better overall, then maybe they would make changes.  That's probably a pipe dream, but hey baseball a pitch clock now, so there may be hope  So if you had a system where a team still has some power, and some choice, but you just give the player a little more, and by doing that you have a chance to make the overall product better, then maybe that could happen.   
 
https://twitter.com/eliteprospects/status/1674476310712688660
https://twitter.com/MitchLBrown/status/1674476520629497858
 
Significantly Insignificant said:
I agree that I would love to see a free market system, similar to what is used in soccer, but I don't think the NHL is going to get there over night, so loosening some of the constraints around draft rights might be a step in the right direction.   
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Right so, again, what you are proposing is a larger departure from the stated goals of the draft than simply abandoning the draft altogether. If you simply abandoned the draft if the Blackhawks missed out on Bedard because he chose to sign with someone else, they could still try to sign Fantilli or Carlsson or another top tier prospect. In your proposal, if the worst teams didn't sign their first choice they wouldn't be able to negotiate with any other top tier prospect.

And, again, the worst teams couldn't even offer a financial incentive to try to attract the top tier prospects who would then be free to look at signing with teams in bigger markets for long term financial reasons or already successful clubs because they're "better" organizations or just nicer places to live. This would be much, much worse for the bad teams in the league and helping them is the whole stated purpose of having a draft in the first place.

So on top of all that it's very confusing and would effectively end the draft as a TV show so...that's why they don't do it?
 
Nik said:
So on top of all that it's very confusing and would effectively end the draft as a TV show so...that's why they don't do it?
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I think the draft ended the draft as a T.V. show. Last night was not the most compelling thing that I have ever watched.  I need the NHL to save me from myself. 

I understand what you are saying.  That there is no point in keeping any kind of draft type system in place if it offers any flexibility at all because flexibility is an all or nothing thing.  I thought that maybe there was a hybrid type system out there that could offer some flexibility, but still provide some advantages to lower end teams.  Even in the scenario that I offered up, you would need to flip the order of the draft because the last pick in the tier would hold all the power because you could pick a player that no one else had negotiation rights too.  The Stanley Cup winner would need to go first. 

I get what you are saying though.  In the scenario that I offered up, no one would ever go to Arizona.  Really though, who does that hurt?  I think that having incentive to run a good organization can actually be a good thing.     
 
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