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2024-25 General Trades and Signings

CarltonTheBear said:

Goes from being traded for Nick Jensen to signing a $72mil contract. Crazy what a year can do.
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Ottawa was strangely desperate to get rid of him. It's not like he had an awful season in Ottawa. He was largely victimized by their bad goaltending and overall inconsistent play.
 
bustaheims said:
Ottawa was strangely desperate to get rid of him. It's not like he had an awful season in Ottawa. He was largely victimized by their bad goaltending and overall inconsistent play.
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Ottawa used him weirdly sure, but I'm also not sure he was ever a $9mil/legit 1D type defenceman anytime with Arizona either. Washington is making a pretty huge bet here. Especially on a almost 27-year old having career highs in shooting percentage and on-ice shooting percentage.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Ottawa used him weirdly sure, but I'm also not sure he was ever a $9mil/legit 1D type defenceman anytime with Arizona either. Washington is making a pretty huge bet here. Especially on a almost 27-year old having career highs in shooting percentage and on-ice shooting percentage.
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With the way the cap is going up, we probably need to revise what we think of as a $9M defender. It's ultimately going to be closer to what we think of as a $6M-$7M guy, which is probably right around where he was in Arizona when healthy.
 
bustaheims said:
With the way the cap is going up, we probably need to revise what we think of as a $9M defender. It's ultimately going to be closer to what we think of as a $6M-$7M guy, which is probably right around where he was in Arizona when healthy.
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Well I don't completely disagree but $9mil on next years $95.5mil ceiling is about 9.5%, and that hasn't translated to a $6mil player since before Chychrun was even in the league so I think that range is a little low.

Also I know everyone's super excited about these future cap projections but to some extent we've heard this stuff before and with everything currently happening in the world I'm a little more skeptical about them than I was a few months ago.
 
I've hardly seen him this year but that is an eyebrow raising term for a player like Chychrun who has been injured as much as he has.
 
Heading to Anaheim (to join Trouba as another fellow NYR cast off pushed to waive his NTC)

 
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I can't believe that the Rangers were able to dump both Trouba and Kreider, and in both cases not only did they not have to retain anything or attach a sweetener they were even able to get some (albeit small) value back. And both went to the same team! Pat Verbeek what are you doing?
 
CarltonTheBear said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1933187085361725890

I can't believe that the Rangers were able to dump both Trouba and Kreider, and in both cases not only did they not have to retain anything or attach a sweetener they were even able to get some (albeit small) value back. And both went to the same team! Pat Verbeek what are you doing?
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The Leafs would have packaged a 1st round pick with him....
Marleau 16G 21A 37P the year prior to being traded.
Kreider 22G 8A 30P
 
L K said:
The Leafs would have packaged a 1st round pick with him....
Marleau 16G 21A 37P the year prior to being traded.
Kreider 22G 8A 30P
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Big difference in intent and perception here. Anaheim (and likely some other teams) thinks Kreider can still play and produce at a level roughly worth his salary/percentage of the cap, and intend to keep him around (and they might be right - with how big a mess NYR were last season, I'm not sure you can read too much into the production of anyone on that roster). No one thought Marleau could produce at a pace relative to his salary/percentage of the cap, and Carolina picked him to buy him out. Also, Kreider is going into his age 34 season whereas Marleau going into his age 40 season at the time. He's also one year removed from a 39 goal, 75 point season - levels Marleau hadn't approached in years when the Leafs dumped him.

I get the compulsion to make things like this about the Leafs and find parallels, but this is a very weak one.
 
bustaheims said:
No one thought Marleau could produce at a pace relative to his salary/percentage of the cap, and Carolina picked him to buy him out.
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It's not even that. Marleau only waived his NMC to go to Carolina on the condition that they would be buying him out. He only wanted to play for Toronto or San Jose at the time, and he ended up signing with the Sharks afterward. Carolina never had any intention of having him on their roster.
 
bustaheims said:
Big difference in intent and perception here. Anaheim (and likely some other teams) thinks Kreider can still play and produce at a level roughly worth his salary/percentage of the cap, and intend to keep him around (and they might be right - with how big a mess NYR were last season, I'm not sure you can read too much into the production of anyone on that roster). No one thought Marleau could produce at a pace relative to his salary/percentage of the cap, and Carolina picked him to buy him out. Also, Kreider is going into his age 34 season whereas Marleau going into his age 40 season at the time. He's also one year removed from a 39 goal, 75 point season - levels Marleau hadn't approached in years when the Leafs dumped him.

I get the compulsion to make things like this about the Leafs and find parallels, but this is a very weak one.
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I get it and at CtB added, the context was that Marleau was dictating where he was going to play so it was more about the cost of a buyout...although still, the 1st round pick was egregious to eat a year of the deal. That's mostly the comparison I was getting at. Giving up a 1st round pick...the team should have just ate the contract.

I kind of intentionally left off Kreider's previous season although to be honest I wouldn't be shocked if next year Kreider puts up another mediocre year. I don't like his game and I especially don't love it as he gets older.
 
L K said:
I get it and at CtB added, the context was that Marleau was dictating where he was going to play so it was more about the cost of a buyout...although still, the 1st round pick was egregious to eat a year of the deal. That's mostly the comparison I was getting at. Giving up a 1st round pick...the team should have just ate the contract.
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It's certainly one of the many depressing "what if's" of this era. At the time the Leafs largely needed the Marleau space to be able to re-sign RFAs Kapanen and Johnsson, two players who almost everyone thought would have been key members of this teams middle-6 forward group for years to come. Whoops.
 
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