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2024-25 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion

With 35 goals, ignoring other potential goal scoring tonight, Tavares is tied for 9th in goals.
With Nylander in 2nd, if they were to finish with both in the top 10, that is a fairly rare occurrence after the 60s NHL expansion.
I think Andreychuk & Clark did it in the early 90s. Sittler & McDonald in the mid 70s a couple of times.
They had a few in the 60s but it was a six team league. And maybe a couple in the early 70s when it was a 12 team league.
I would have expected Matthews and Nylander would have been the more likely pair but that hasn't happened yet.

I'm happy for Tavares. He's made a consistent effort every season since he got here.
 
Props to Carlo.

He's definitely filled his role quickly, and even chucked bombs.

The guy he fought from LA Kings Mallot is from a fighting family. Check out Mallot's brother's deadly hands:

 
GAMES
TORONTO (45-25-4 94p)
FLORIDA (44-26-3 91p)
TAMPA (43-25-5 91p)
Game 64​
@Hockey Club (WIN)
Sabres (WIN)
@Hurricanes (LOSS)
Game 65​
Panthers (LOSS)
@Bruins (LOSS)
@Flyers (OTL)
Game 66​
Senators (LOSS)
@Maple Leafs (WIN)
@Bruins (WIN)
Game 67​
Flames (WIN)
@Canadiens (LOSS)
Flyers (WIN)
Game 68​
Avalanche (WIN)
@Islanders (LOSS)
@Stars (WIN)
Game 69​
@Rangers (WIN)
@Blue Jackets (WIN)
@Hockey Club (LOSS)
Game 70​
@Predators (LOSS)
@Capitals (LOSS)
@Golden Knights (LOSS)
Game 71​
Flyers (WIN)
Penguins (WIN)
Penguins (WIN)
Game 72​
@Sharks (OTL)
Hockey Club (WIN)
Hockey Club (WIN)
Game 73​
@Kings (WIN)
Canadiens (LOSS)
Islanders (WIN)
Game 74​
@Ducks (WIN)
@Canadiens (Apr 1)​
@Islanders (Apr 1)​
Game 75​
Panthers (Apr 2)​
@Maple Leafs (Apr 2)​
@Senators (Apr 3)​
Game 76​
Blue Jackets (Apr 5)​
@Senators (Apr 5)​
@Sabres (Apr 5)​
Game 77​
@Panthers (Apr 8)​
@Red Wings (Apr 6)​
@Rangers (Apr 7)​
Game 78​
@Lightning (Apr 9)​
Maple Leafs (Apr 8)​
Maple Leafs (Apr 9)​
Game 79​
Canadiens (Apr 12)​
Red Wings (Apr 10)​
Red Wings (Apr 11)​
Game 80​
@Hurricanes (Apr 13)​
Sabres (Apr 12)​
Sabres (Apr 13)​
Game 81​
@Sabres (Apr 15)​
Rangers (Apr 14)​
Panthers (Apr 15)​
Game 82​
Red Wings (Apr 17)​
@Lightning (Apr 15)​
@Rangers (Apr 17)​

Toronto 6-1-1 in their last 8 games for all the doom and gloom of the last week or two. Toronto now holds the tie-breaker in the first four categories (Points, RW, ROW and Total wins).

Toronto has two more back to backs and play 3 games in four nights against the Habs/Hurricanes/Sabres. One critical one against Florida/Tampa on the 8th/9th both games on the road. They also have Montreal and Carolina. Montreal is playing for the playoffs. Carolina is pretty much locked up to Metro 2 but home ice in the 3rd round is still a possibility so its' not a meaningless game for them either. The Red Wings game 82 probably won't matter so the Leafs finish the season with two softer opponents. The Leafs still have their two games against the Panthers and one against the Lightning that could make/break the division.

Tampa easily has the lightest schedule left. They don't play any more back-to-backs. They have two games against the Sabres. They play a team on zero days rest 4 times (Leafs on the 9th, Red Wings on the 11th, Sabres on the 13th, Panthers on the 15th)

Florida's schedule is kind of tough. The Sabres are likely the only game that will be against a team that is eliminated. They have 3 back to backs, play two sets of 3 in 4 and have 9 games in 15 days to end the season.

Home Games: Leafs (4), Panthers (4), Lightning (4)
Road Games: Leafs (4), Panthers (5), Lightning (5)
Back to Backs: Leafs (2), Panthers (3), Lightning (0)
3 Game in 4: Leafs (1), Panthers (2), Lightning (0)
Games against team on 0 days rest: Leafs (1), Panthers (0), Lightning (4)
Games against playoff teams: Leafs (5), Panthers (5), Lightning (3)
Games against teams within 3 points of a playoff spot: Leafs (7), Panthers (8), Lightning (7)

Tie-breakers:
1) PTs% 2) RW 3) ROW 4) Total Wins
5) Head to Head

Toronto is 3-0-0 against Tampa with one game remaining so hold the head to head tie-breaker
Florida is 2-0-0 against Toronto so the best Toronto can do is make this a wash with 2 games remaining
Florida is 2-1-0 against the Lightning so the best Tampa can do is make this a wash with 1 game remaining

***IF all three of Tampa/Florida/Toronto are tied with the same number of points, RWs, ROWs, and total wins the Leafs would be able to win this tiebreaker with the best point percentage if they manage to go 6-2-0 (or 6-3-0) against Florida and Tampa. They need to win both Florida games.

6) Goal differential - Tampa (69) > Florida (35) > Toronto (23)

7) Goals scored - Tampa (264) > Toronto (242) > Florida (233)
 

GAMES
TORONTO (45-25-4 94p)
FLORIDA (44-26-3 91p)
TAMPA (43-25-5 91p)
Game 64​
@Hockey Club (WIN)
Sabres (WIN)
@Hurricanes (LOSS)
Game 65​
Panthers (LOSS)
@Bruins (LOSS)
@Flyers (OTL)
Game 66​
Senators (LOSS)
@Maple Leafs (WIN)
@Bruins (WIN)
Game 67​
Flames (WIN)
@Canadiens (LOSS)
Flyers (WIN)
Game 68​
Avalanche (WIN)
@Islanders (LOSS)
@Stars (WIN)
Game 69​
@Rangers (WIN)
@Blue Jackets (WIN)
@Hockey Club (LOSS)
Game 70​
@Predators (LOSS)
@Capitals (LOSS)
@Golden Knights (LOSS)
Game 71​
Flyers (WIN)
Penguins (WIN)
Penguins (WIN)
Game 72​
@Sharks (OTL)
Hockey Club (WIN)
Hockey Club (WIN)
Game 73​
@Kings (WIN)
Canadiens (LOSS)
Islanders (WIN)
Game 74​
@Ducks (WIN)
@Canadiens (Apr 1)​
@Islanders (Apr 1)​
Game 75​
Panthers (Apr 2)​
@Maple Leafs (Apr 2)​
@Senators (Apr 3)​
Game 76​
Blue Jackets (Apr 5)​
@Senators (Apr 5)​
@Sabres (Apr 5)​
Game 77​
@Panthers (Apr 8)​
@Red Wings (Apr 6)​
@Rangers (Apr 7)​
Game 78​
@Lightning (Apr 9)​
Maple Leafs (Apr 8)​
Maple Leafs (Apr 9)​
Game 79​
Canadiens (Apr 12)​
Red Wings (Apr 10)​
Red Wings (Apr 11)​
Game 80​
@Hurricanes (Apr 13)​
Sabres (Apr 12)​
Sabres (Apr 13)​
Game 81​
@Sabres (Apr 15)​
Rangers (Apr 14)​
Panthers (Apr 15)​
Game 82​
Red Wings (Apr 17)​
@Lightning (Apr 15)​
@Rangers (Apr 17)​

Toronto 6-1-1 in their last 8 games for all the doom and gloom of the last week or two. Toronto now holds the tie-breaker in the first four categories (Points, RW, ROW and Total wins).

Toronto has two more back to backs and play 3 games in four nights against the Habs/Hurricanes/Sabres. One critical one against Florida/Tampa on the 8th/9th both games on the road. They also have Montreal and Carolina. Montreal is playing for the playoffs. Carolina is pretty much locked up to Metro 2 but home ice in the 3rd round is still a possibility so its' not a meaningless game for them either. The Red Wings game 82 probably won't matter so the Leafs finish the season with two softer opponents. The Leafs still have their two games against the Panthers and one against the Lightning that could make/break the division.

Tampa easily has the lightest schedule left. They don't play any more back-to-backs. They have two games against the Sabres. They play a team on zero days rest 4 times (Leafs on the 9th, Red Wings on the 11th, Sabres on the 13th, Panthers on the 15th)

Florida's schedule is kind of tough. The Sabres are likely the only game that will be against a team that is eliminated. They have 3 back to backs, play two sets of 3 in 4 and have 9 games in 15 days to end the season.

Home Games: Leafs (4), Panthers (4), Lightning (4)
Road Games: Leafs (4), Panthers (5), Lightning (5)
Back to Backs: Leafs (2), Panthers (3), Lightning (0)
3 Game in 4: Leafs (1), Panthers (2), Lightning (0)
Games against team on 0 days rest: Leafs (1), Panthers (0), Lightning (4)
Games against playoff teams: Leafs (5), Panthers (5), Lightning (3)
Games against teams within 3 points of a playoff spot: Leafs (7), Panthers (8), Lightning (7)

Tie-breakers:
1) PTs% 2) RW 3) ROW 4) Total Wins
5) Head to Head

Toronto is 3-0-0 against Tampa with one game remaining so hold the head to head tie-breaker
Florida is 2-0-0 against Toronto so the best Toronto can do is make this a wash with 2 games remaining
Florida is 2-1-0 against the Lightning so the best Tampa can do is make this a wash with 1 game remaining

***IF all three of Tampa/Florida/Toronto are tied with the same number of points, RWs, ROWs, and total wins the Leafs would be able to win this tiebreaker with the best point percentage if they manage to go 6-2-0 (or 6-3-0) against Florida and Tampa. They need to win both Florida games.

6) Goal differential - Tampa (69) > Florida (35) > Toronto (23)

7) Goals scored - Tampa (264) > Toronto (242) > Florida (233)
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6) Goal differential - Tampa (69) > Florida (35) > Toronto (23)

Tampa has been extremely healthy this season. Our big drop-off is pretty much Matthews' dip.

so that's Matthews, Tanev, McCabe as high minute players all spending time on the shelf (Woll too), not just Hakanpaa/Jarnkrok (and Minten/Mermis earlier).

MLHS podcast noted that if we look at the overall performance of the team, it's a bit meh, but if you look at the games where we have those key bodies 'healthy' (1C, 1/2D) altogether, the performance is rather dominant. And Matthews is still a shadow of himself, goal scoring-wise.
 
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We have become enamored with Amazon Prime Monday Night Hockey. The hope was Amazon was going for the national rights for Canada.

I think Amazon will still have a bunch more games.
You know what's even better than Amazon is TNT. Gretzky and Biz unbridled and Henriq

When Shaq and Barkley would join it was gold. Biz one time body checked Shaq so hard as he walked around the studio that you saw Shaq's face was in shock.

Beats McLean's poetry anyday.
 
How and why if true. TSN is broke. It seems odd that Sportsnet would pay more money for a product that supposedly had them losing money too.

Not to mention that their broadcasts suck and they make absolutely no effort to move away from regional blackouts
 
How and why if true. TSN is broke. It seems odd that Sportsnet would pay more money for a product that supposedly had them losing money too.

Not to mention that their broadcasts suck and they make absolutely no effort to move away from regional blackouts
Last couple of seasons, I've signed up for Sportsnet only for watching the Leafs. Each season, I have to cancel because their video is so choppy, it is unwatchable. I've worked with their tech people but with only limited effort. I'm technically able and could figure it out but I don't have time for a science project. I'm a consumer who should be able to just watch the games.
It is the only streaming I have an issue with and it is on both my laptops. I have oodles of bandwidth and processing power and up-to-date software, etc. So I have to use the pirates who steal an unchoppy version of Sportsnet if I want to watch a game on Sportsnet. A search on google suggests that I am not alone with this problem. So we have to look forward to ten more years of this? Ugh. I'm sure there is a fix somewhere but you're paying enough money, you should not have to mess with that in this day and age.
 
Last couple of seasons, I've signed up for Sportsnet only for watching the Leafs. Each season, I have to cancel because their video is so choppy, it is unwatchable. I've worked with their tech people but with only limited effort. I'm technically able and could figure it out but I don't have time for a science project. I'm a consumer who should be able to just watch the games.
It is the only streaming I have an issue with and it is on both my laptops. I have oodles of bandwidth and processing power and up-to-date software, etc. So I have to use the pirates who steal an unchoppy version of Sportsnet if I want to watch a game on Sportsnet. A search on google suggests that I am not alone with this problem. So we have to look forward to ten more years of this? Ugh. I'm sure there is a fix somewhere but you're paying enough money, you should not have to mess with that in this day and age.

I use Sportsnet streaming across multiple devices. I will say this, some devices for me do perform much better than others. I seem to have constant issues with streaming on Apple TV but my iPhone, iPad and laptop, I'd almost say, work flawlessly. The Xbox I use for streaming used to be great but they've changed the interface and isn't working well anymore.

It's weird they can't seem to figure it out, but hey, it's Rogers.
 
Magic numbers for the Leafs to officially eliminate the possibility of teams from passing them (not including FLA & TB, because they both basically require clean sweeps at this point):

OTT - 9
MON - 1
CBJ - 1
NYI, NYR, DET, BOS, PIT, PHI & BUF already eliminated.

Leafs can clinch a playoff spot tonight if the Habs lose to Florida or Columbus loses to Nashville.
 
Magic numbers for the Leafs to officially eliminate the possibility of teams from passing them (not including FLA & TB, because they both basically require clean sweeps at this point):

OTT - 9
MON - 1
CBJ - 1
NYI, NYR, DET, BOS, PIT, PHI & BUF already eliminated.

Leafs can clinch a playoff spot tonight if the Habs lose to Florida or Columbus loses to Nashville.
I'd rather Florida lose to the Habs.
 
How and why if true. TSN is broke. It seems odd that Sportsnet would pay more money for a product that supposedly had them losing money too.

Not to mention that their broadcasts suck and they make absolutely no effort to move away from regional blackouts


Bell Media owns TSN.

Bell has major financial issues. Because of this, they quietly sold assets including their stake in MLSE back to Rogers.

My BIG BIG BIG HOPE is that the deal between Rogers and Bell included Bell getting the rights to developing (sometime in the future) a second NHL team in Toronto with a waiver of territorial rights from Rogers/Tanenbaum. This would allow Bell to not only develop a second team in hockeys biggest market, but also grow their sports media empire based on that. Rogers got control of MLSE and the Leafs, plus there is even a small chance that the extra team in the future may invigorate healthy competition and increased revenue for Rogers. Quid pro quo.

It would be the only way in my opinion, Toronto ever sees a Stanley Cup (i.e. by having two competing NHL teams instead of a corpulently fat monopoly that produces poor results for decades for fans and makes giant cash flow margins off them).

The new team could, for example, target "Regular Torontonians".... where a larger arena of 25k seats in 905 cheaper real estate can have significantly reduced ticket prices to the outlandish prices of Scotia Bank downtown. The lunchpail and middleclass crowd could embrace the new team (and actually be able to go to games and have access to players) dropping $200 to $300 of their own personal money for multiple tickets for a game, and the corporates and blue bloods could continue to embrace the Leafs and the sushi plates dropping $1k to $2k of corporate funds Per game. Fights on the ice would be more insane than Islanders Rangers or Canadiens Nordiques decades ago. And within a decade, Toronto would have a Cup - especially with the special access to players NHL now gives new franchises like they did for Vegas and Seattle.



But with this long term broadcast deal for Rogers.... it seems less and less likely there was such a term for waivers for a second Toronto franchise included in the Bell sale. The sale seems to be exclusively based on poor financial conditions of the seller.



One can dream!
 
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Last couple of seasons, I've signed up for Sportsnet only for watching the Leafs. Each season, I have to cancel because their video is so choppy, it is unwatchable. I've worked with their tech people but with only limited effort. I'm technically able and could figure it out but I don't have time for a science project. I'm a consumer who should be able to just watch the games.
It is the only streaming I have an issue with and it is on both my laptops. I have oodles of bandwidth and processing power and up-to-date software, etc. So I have to use the pirates who steal an unchoppy version of Sportsnet if I want to watch a game on Sportsnet. A search on google suggests that I am not alone with this problem. So we have to look forward to ten more years of this? Ugh. I'm sure there is a fix somewhere but you're paying enough money, you should not have to mess with that in this day and age.

I subscribed to TSN & Sportsnet through Amazon Prime Video. You can use the Amazon Prime Video app to stream on pretty much any platform. You can also sign in on the web and watch on a browser.

The streaming quality is pretty good. I think the quality is 720p at best. It will drop down to what looks like 240p every once in a while for a few seconds.

Most of the complaints I've come across stem from people using the TSN or Sportsnet apps to stream and they sound like they are not interested in fixing the app.

With the amount of money Sportsnet is investing in the NHL rights, I would sincerely hope they spend some money on beefing up the app and the infrastructure to have a quality stream.

I have zero interest in subscribing to cable.
 
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