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Armchair GM 2017-2018

Zee said:
KadriFan said:
How about trading Lupul and JVR to Vegas for Colin Miller?
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Vegas would want Lupul because...?
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JVR is significantly better/more valuable than Miller.

Vegas only drafted two right shots on D, Miller and Engelland. They've explicitly stated they won't be dealing any young damn though, so this proposal seems unrealistic.
 
New Jersey's gearing up nicely this off season.

Let's help:
To NJD: JvR, Fehr (or whatever B/C forward prospect)
To Toronto: 2018 1st, Kovalchuk's rights, Ryane Clowe's contract

Clowe's contract bumps up our LTIR space by another 4.85M, which gives us a lot of money to throw at a 1 yr show-me deal to Kovalchuk.

Trade the NJD or TOR 2018 1st + Marchenko to VGK for Miller + 2019 3rd.

Trade Bozak for whatever picks.

Marleau - Matthews - Marner/Hyman
Kovalchuk - Nylander - Kapanen/Brown
Komarov - Kadri - Brown/Marner
Martin - Moore - Hyman/Kapanen
Leivo

Gardiner - Hainsey
Rielly - Zaitsev
Marincin - Miller
Rosen - Carrick
 
I'm as big of a Kovalchuk fan as anybody here, but I'm not sure there's room for both him and Marleau on the team. Especially since it sounds like he's looking for basically an identical contract (3 years, $6.5mil-ish). If I had to pick one of those two it would have been Kovy but I don't think the Leafs were ever really in on that.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
I'm as big of a Kovalchuk fan as anybody here, but I'm not sure there's room for both him and Marleau on the team. Especially since it sounds like he's looking for basically an identical contract (3 years, $6.5mil-ish). If I had to pick one of those two it would have been Kovy but I don't think the Leafs were ever really in on that.
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It was a longshot spitball at best, and those rarely stick anyway.
 
https://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/2017/07/03/mike-babcock-excited-about-leafs-additions-and-the-teams-depth.html

But Marleau?s signing, and all the other additions also raises the prospect of potential trades. Not counting injured players Joffrey Lupul and Nathan Horton, the Leafs have 15 forwards under contract, and two more ? Connor Brown and Zach Hyman ? needing deals. And that number doesn?t count Kasperi Kapanen, who looked like he was ready for the NHL this spring, or Aaltonen, the Finnish forward from the KHL who could play for the Marlies. That gets the Leafs to 18 or 19 NHL-calibre forwards, when they really need only 13.

Babcock brought up Tyler Bozak, Nazem Kadri, James van Riemsdyk and Leo Komarov.

?They?re real good players,? the coach said. ?And two of them or . . . any way you look at it, we can?t all be on the team as we move ahead. It doesn?t work like that. We have to figure out a way when you have opportunities to do what you can.?
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I'm glad the front office is thinking of shuffling from that part of the deck, rather than younger.
 
herman said:
https://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/2017/07/03/mike-babcock-excited-about-leafs-additions-and-the-teams-depth.html

But Marleau?s signing, and all the other additions also raises the prospect of potential trades. Not counting injured players Joffrey Lupul and Nathan Horton, the Leafs have 15 forwards under contract, and two more ? Connor Brown and Zach Hyman ? needing deals. And that number doesn?t count Kasperi Kapanen, who looked like he was ready for the NHL this spring, or Aaltonen, the Finnish forward from the KHL who could play for the Marlies. That gets the Leafs to 18 or 19 NHL-calibre forwards, when they really need only 13.

Babcock brought up Tyler Bozak, Nazem Kadri, James van Riemsdyk and Leo Komarov.

?They?re real good players,? the coach said. ?And two of them or . . . any way you look at it, we can?t all be on the team as we move ahead. It doesn?t work like that. We have to figure out a way when you have opportunities to do what you can.?
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I'm glad the front office is thinking of shuffling from that part of the deck, rather than younger.
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Don't like Kadri's name included. Feels like he has finally found his spot but for a quality Dman we would obviously have to consider it. I just haven't considered moving Kadri until now.
 
That Babcock quote is more revealing than we've come to expect from this group, I suspect it's a subtle attempt to force Lou's hand at least a little.
 
WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:
That Babcock quote is more revealing than we've come to expect from this group, I suspect it's a subtle attempt to force Lou's hand at least a little.
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Just like when he talked about their draft discussions and Hunter favouring wingers while he liked C/Ds. Or let slip that Nylander is viewed as a C, but had to walk that back at the end of the year to not tank Bozak's trade value.
 
Injuries. Several key and supporting players will be injured at some point this season. That's where the depth comes in handy.
 
I don't think any of our vets will yield a decent dman. I cannot put together any reasonable offer of our vets for a quality dman that wouldn't have to include picks from us going the other way. We might just have to flip some of our vets for picks and use the cap space next summer? Or let them walk. 2018 potential Dman UFAs already resigned include Vlasic and Fowler. D just don't come available. I am worried the Leafs will not be able to improve their D to contender status any time soon if ever. I just don't see how it can be done.

I'll just prey that one of these Swedish signings will be a home run or that Reilly/Gardiner/Zaitstev will find another gear or two or three.
 
herman said:
New Jersey's gearing up nicely this off season.

Let's help:
To NJD: JvR, Fehr (or whatever B/C forward prospect)
To Toronto: 2018 1st, Kovalchuk's rights, Ryane Clowe's contract

Clowe's contract bumps up our LTIR space by another 4.85M, which gives us a lot of money to throw at a 1 yr show-me deal to Kovalchuk.

Trade the NJD or TOR 2018 1st + Marchenko to VGK for Miller + 2019 3rd.

Trade Bozak for whatever picks.

Marleau - Matthews - Marner/Hyman
Kovalchuk - Nylander - Kapanen/Brown
Komarov - Kadri - Brown/Marner
Martin - Moore - Hyman/Kapanen
Leivo

Gardiner - Hainsey
Rielly - Zaitsev
Marincin - Miller
Rosen - Carrick
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One problem with your proposal is we can't go more than 10% above the cap during the offseason.  There is no such thing as LTIR during the offseason either, so Lupul, Horton, and Clowe's contracts would count towards that 82.5 million offseason limit.  Already, we sit at 76.7 million without Hyman and Brown signed. Basically, you'd have to wait until the season started to sign your players because you'd have no room (unless you traded another big salary away).  While all the forwards we have right now won't be on the team (traded, Marlies, or lost on waivers) come the start of the season, we won't be dropping a whole lot of salary in the latter two scenarios.
 
Coco-puffs said:
One problem with your proposal is we can't go more than 10% above the cap during the offseason.  There is no such thing as LTIR during the offseason either, so Lupul, Horton, and Clowe's contracts would count towards that 82.5 million offseason limit.  Already, we sit at 76.7 million without Hyman and Brown signed. Basically, you'd have to wait until the season started to sign your players because you'd have no room (unless you traded another big salary away).  While all the forwards we have right now won't be on the team (traded, Marlies, or lost on waivers) come the start of the season, we won't be dropping a whole lot of salary in the latter two scenarios.
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That's a good point that I completely neglected to consider.
 
herman said:
Coco-puffs said:
One problem with your proposal is we can't go more than 10% above the cap during the offseason.  There is no such thing as LTIR during the offseason either, so Lupul, Horton, and Clowe's contracts would count towards that 82.5 million offseason limit.  Already, we sit at 76.7 million without Hyman and Brown signed. Basically, you'd have to wait until the season started to sign your players because you'd have no room (unless you traded another big salary away).  While all the forwards we have right now won't be on the team (traded, Marlies, or lost on waivers) come the start of the season, we won't be dropping a whole lot of salary in the latter two scenarios.
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That's a good point that I completely neglected to consider.
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Actually, there's SOIR (season opening IR).  I don't know when we're allowed to use it, but it removes the cap hit of players that didn't play a single game last year so that you can be cap compliant for opening day before you can use LTIR.  If we can use it whenever, it's a possible avenue around that.
 
herman said:
https://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/2017/07/03/mike-babcock-excited-about-leafs-additions-and-the-teams-depth.html

Babcock brought up Tyler Bozak, Nazem Kadri, James van Riemsdyk and Leo Komarov.

?They?re real good players,? the coach said. ?And two of them or . . . any way you look at it, we can?t all be on the team as we move ahead. It doesn?t work like that. We have to figure out a way when you have opportunities to do what you can.?
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Really interesting.

Let's go one better than Babs and trade three of the four: JvR, Bozak, and Komarov

That's $11.5m off the books and the internal replacements -- Marleau, Nylander, and Hyman, respectively -- are all already accounted for (except Hyman's, say, $1.5m extension).

Wonder what they could do with another $10m in cap space.
 
Now that Marleau is here; I'd trade JvR first, as I think he has the most value. For what I think we'd get from a Bozak trade, I'd just as soon trade him just before the deadline. He still has value up the middle, especially in the face-off dot. He can score, he's decent at the shootout and he's relatively good in our end.

Komarov I think I'd like to hold onto. I think guys like him are valuable in the playoffs, not to mention the game in and out stuff he does. You need fellas like that when you go to war, no? I also don't see Hyman in the same light, so for him to take over for what Komarov does currently, I'm not seeing it yet.

I'd target defensemen in trade. Demers, Tanev, Barrie, Trouba ...
 
BlueWhiteBlood said:
Now that Marleau is here; I'd trade JvR first, as I think he has the most value. For what I think we'd get from a Bozak trade, I'd just as soon trade him just before the deadline. He still has value up the middle, especially in the face-off dot. He can score, he's decent at the shootout and he's relatively good in our end.

Komarov I think I'd like to hold onto. I think guys like him are valuable in the playoffs, not to mention the game in and out stuff he does. You need fellas like that when you go to war, no? I also don't see Hyman in the same light, so for him to take over for what Komarov does currently, I'm not seeing it yet.

I'd target defensemen in trade. Demers, Tanev, Barrie, Trouba ...
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Speaking of the shootout,wondering if Marleau has got a descent record on the shootout,maybe he can win a game or two that way.
 
BlueWhiteBlood said:
I'd target defensemen in trade. Demers, Tanev, Barrie, Trouba ...
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He isn't my 1st choice but Barrie seems to be the next best realistic option after Demers. And I sort of feel like if a Demers trade was going to happen it would have happened by now. Trade JVR to either the Rangers or Blue Jackets for picks (both lost out in the Kovalchuk sweepstakes) and then send picks to Colorado for Barrie. Maybe try and get the Avs to eat a $1mil or so of his cap hit too.
 
AvroArrow said:
Actually, there's SOIR (season opening IR).  I don't know when we're allowed to use it, but it removes the cap hit of players that didn't play a single game last year so that you can be cap compliant for opening day before you can use LTIR.  If we can use it whenever, it's a possible avenue around that.
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We went through this last summer, but, SOIR isn't really an independent thing, but, rather, the process by which players who were hurt in training camp are placed on IR to start the season. It doesn't impact the 10% summer overage limit, nor does it impact players who didn't play last season - unless they injure themselves again in training camp. (There are other factors in it, as well - it's really meant for AHLers who get hurt during camp, not NHLers with long-term injuries - it doesn't allow relief for players who didn't play any games, but, rather, for players who weren't on the NHL roster for any, and injured players are still technically on the roster.)
 
I don't see the leafs trading for any older, established and expensive defensemen.  I do see them trading excess forwards for prospects with the potential to become core guys.  Or someone like Shultz when he was still in Edmonton. A guy with upside who wasn't working out and needed a fresh start.  Don't forget, they're going to need a lot of cap space in a couple years.
 
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