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bustaheims said:herman said:Depends on the price for me. 2nd or 3rd rd pick? No brainer. If they take him for a cast off prospect (or freebie) like Nielsen/Marchment/Moore, easy peasy.
Scoring skill and automatic carry entries doesn't grow on trees.
Same. Not interested in giving up any of the better prospects for him. I'd even be leery about a 2nd round pick, as his numbers in the AHL and his brief NHL stints don't exactly jump out as impressive. But 3rd round pick or later? Absolutely.
CarltonTheBear said:herman said:Dappleganger said:I'd pass. Has talent but too many question marks there.
bustaheims said:Worth the risk if you can get him cheap.
Depends on the price for me. 2nd or 3rd rd pick? No brainer. If they take him for a cast off prospect (or freebie) like Nielsen/Marchment/Moore, easy peasy.
Scoring skill and automatic carry entries doesn't grow on trees.
Martin for Ho-Sang. Boom.
PCB said:But would Ho-sang fit into the Leafs current culture?
PCB said:But would Ho-sang fit into the Leafs current culture?
herman said:PCB said:But would Ho-sang fit into the Leafs current culture?
Young, highly skilled players (many from the GTA)? Shepherded by a quiet lead-by-example team dad, driven by a high pick yo-yo who previously had a run-in or two with the front office (for being late to practice) and is also a player of colour from one of the most multi-cultural neighbourhoods in the NHL? All steered by a coach with an even bigger ego with the credentials and work-ethic to back it up?
I kind of want to see that here.
bustaheims said:Also, the whole "culture is over-rated" thing that leads us to poke fun at Lou's rules and such.
herman said:A lot of it is silly, but there were a few things I appreciated from Lou, especially coming from the way things were going before: baseline stability, unified messaging. I think they're in a much better shape to add players without their perceived personalities tipping anything over.
Nik the Trik said:What are some examples of disparate messaging from previous GMs?
herman said:Rampant trade rumours (clearly originating from the front office), publicly airing out disagreements between players and coaches (which are normal), a bit of throwing each other under the bus (Burke/Wilson), all on top of having a bad on-ice product.
Nik the Trik said:I can see why someone might choose to not like some of those things(trade rumours though?) and how they might imply a discordant front office but I suppose I never really saw that as mixed messaging. If anything, I always thought Burke was very straightforward and certain in his policies, even if they were the wrong ones.
herman said:Nik the Trik said:I can see why someone might choose to not like some of those things(trade rumours though?) and how they might imply a discordant front office but I suppose I never really saw that as mixed messaging. If anything, I always thought Burke was very straightforward and certain in his policies, even if they were the wrong ones.
Mixed messaging might just be me phrasing my idea incorrectly. Maybe 'messy' is the better term.
Zee said:What the hell is Shanahan waiting for? Are we getting a GM announced this week?
Zee said:What the hell is Shanahan waiting for? Are we getting a GM announced this week?
bustaheims said:Zee said:What the hell is Shanahan waiting for? Are we getting a GM announced this week?
Probably not, no. Honestly, don't expect anything until much closer to the draft.
Nik the Trik said:Zee said:What the hell is Shanahan waiting for? Are we getting a GM announced this week?
For all the GMing that needs doing?
Zee said:I think there's a lot that has to be done before the draft especially in sorting out the roles and the fallout coming from the decision of who becomes GM. If the rumors are true and Hunter looks to leave if Dubas gets the job (or vice versa), then a succession plan will have to be put in place to replace one of those 2 as assistant GM (and GM of the Marlies).
Zee said:Even though playoffs are ongoing, I believe other teams can still talk to each other about frameworks for trades going forward, you'd probably want to start discussions earlier on that, like way before the draft if you're thinking of making any deals during the draft weekend.
Zee said:If other GMs have no idea who the Leafs GM is, they don't know who they should be talking to, and nothing will move forward.
Nik the Trik said:Zee said:I think there's a lot that has to be done before the draft especially in sorting out the roles and the fallout coming from the decision of who becomes GM. If the rumors are true and Hunter looks to leave if Dubas gets the job (or vice versa), then a succession plan will have to be put in place to replace one of those 2 as assistant GM (and GM of the Marlies).
Both of those plans can be set up as contingencies for if and when they need to be actually implemented.
Zee said:Even though playoffs are ongoing, I believe other teams can still talk to each other about frameworks for trades going forward, you'd probably want to start discussions earlier on that, like way before the draft if you're thinking of making any deals during the draft weekend.
I doubt there's much in the way of specific talk going on while hockey is still being played. Especially as lots of teams are conducting their own internal reviews/hiring processes. I don't think trades are such complicated beasts that you need a month's lead time to get them done pre-draft.
Zee said:If other GMs have no idea who the Leafs GM is, they don't know who they should be talking to, and nothing will move forward.
That seems like a beyond easy problem to solve. Preliminary discussions can go through Shanahan just like they'd have gone through Lamoriello before. All throughout Lamoriello's tenure we heard how much of what went on was a collaborative process. That still goes on just without Hunter or Dubas in the role of final decision maker because there aren't final decisions to be made.