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Armchair GM Thread 2020-2021

OldTimeHockey said:
Guilt Trip said:
I don't see the Leafs trading any D men away. Injuries can and probably will happen so it's better to be looking at them then looking for them.
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I think it all depends. They have 3 players that look like they can step into Dermott's spot. How many back ups of the back ups do they think they need?
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Tampa used 9 D men in the playoffs last year. Sandin, Lehtonen and who's your 3rd?
 
OldTimeHockey said:
I think it all depends. They have 3 players that look like they can step into Dermott's spot. How many back ups of the back ups do they think they need?
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No thing as too much depth. Unless the Leafs are getting an upgrade somewhere else, there's no reason to move Dermott during the season. They're not moving him for picks and/or prospects during the campaign.

Also, of the players that could "step into Dermott's spot," Dermott has shown the most at the NHL level to this point. Sandin should overtake him by next season, but none of the other options currently available look like they're that close to providing the same quality of play in the near term.
 
I have a hunch that at the end of this crunched, compressed season there's going to be a huge upside in having good, fresh depth.
 
OldTimeHockey said:
herman said:
I've been thinking about this for awhile: Morgan Rielly is the Leafs' DeMar DeRozan. Is there a Kawhi Leonard in the NHL? Does Dubas have the gumption to make that trade when the circumstances align?
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Meaning, a 1 year, all in player? If it works you're a genius. If it fails.........how far back have you set your team?
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It would really depend on who the Kawhi is, and it might not just be for a year. Rielly is commanding 7-8M at least on his next contract, with the potential to walk if we take him to the end of his deal.

The point is more to leverage the Rielly-asset at nearly his peak return. He is a leader in the room, productive on the ice, a pillar in the community, and the longest serving member so I suggest this with all due respect. At the same time, he is defensively ineffective and has required a great deal of investment to prop up while his offense is veering towards replaceable. With the Kraken draft approaching and a logjam to sort through for the protection list and cheaper LD on deck, converting Rielly to a premier playdriving LW/C (whoever that might be) in the offseason makes a lot of teambuilding sense to me.

Let's throw out an example: Florida gets steamrolled this season and scores pretty high on the draft lottery and decides to re-tool for another year or two, save a bit of money, open up a lane for Lundell, but also provide veteran leadership and the best partner Aaron Ekblad has ever played with. Leafs take back Sasha Barkov who requested a trade after yet another dismal season playing on America's wang.
 
herman said:
OldTimeHockey said:
herman said:
I've been thinking about this for awhile: Morgan Rielly is the Leafs' DeMar DeRozan. Is there a Kawhi Leonard in the NHL? Does Dubas have the gumption to make that trade when the circumstances align?
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Meaning, a 1 year, all in player? If it works you're a genius. If it fails.........how far back have you set your team?
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It would really depend on who the Kawhi is, and it might not just be for a year. Rielly is commanding 7-8M at least on his next contract, with the potential to walk if we take him to the end of his deal.

The point is more to leverage the Rielly-asset at nearly his peak return. He is a leader in the room, productive on the ice, a pillar in the community, and the longest serving member so I suggest this with all due respect. At the same time, he is defensively ineffective and has required a great deal of investment to prop up while his offense is veering towards replaceable. With the Kraken draft approaching and a logjam to sort through for the protection list and cheaper LD on deck, converting Rielly to a premier playdriving LW/C (whoever that might be) in the offseason makes a lot of teambuilding sense to me.

Let's throw out an example: Florida gets steamrolled this season and scores pretty high on the draft lottery and decides to re-tool for another year or two, save a bit of money, open up a lane for Lundell, but also provide veteran leadership and the best partner Aaron Ekblad has ever played with. Leafs take back Sasha Barkov who requested a trade after yet another dismal season playing on America's wang.
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I think the Leafs will have to seriously look at moving Rielly. There's no way they can pay him 7-8 mill. His defence isn't good enough.
 
bustaheims said:
OldTimeHockey said:
I think it all depends. They have 3 players that look like they can step into Dermott's spot. How many back ups of the back ups do they think they need?
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No thing as too much depth. Unless the Leafs are getting an upgrade somewhere else, there's no reason to move Dermott during the season. They're not moving him for picks and/or prospects during the campaign.

Also, of the players that could "step into Dermott's spot," Dermott has shown the most at the NHL level to this point. Sandin should overtake him by next season, but none of the other options currently available look like they're that close to providing the same quality of play in the near term.
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Which is why I said "it all depends". At some point they have to decide where they need the depth? Is it a 3rd goalie? Is it another center? Of course the return matters. I'm not saying to move on from Dermott in the least. I actually like him quite a bit.

But if he's a piece that you can move to fill another hole, you have to seriously consider it. With Lehtonen, Sandin, Liljegren on the sidelines, and even Marincin kicking around, you do have options. Are any of them Dermott? No, not yet. So, like any trade, it depends on the return.
 
herman said:
OldTimeHockey said:
herman said:
I've been thinking about this for awhile: Morgan Rielly is the Leafs' DeMar DeRozan. Is there a Kawhi Leonard in the NHL? Does Dubas have the gumption to make that trade when the circumstances align?
Click to expand...

Meaning, a 1 year, all in player? If it works you're a genius. If it fails.........how far back have you set your team?
Click to expand...

It would really depend on who the Kawhi is, and it might not just be for a year. Rielly is commanding 7-8M at least on his next contract, with the potential to walk if we take him to the end of his deal.

The point is more to leverage the Rielly-asset at nearly his peak return. He is a leader in the room, productive on the ice, a pillar in the community, and the longest serving member so I suggest this with all due respect. At the same time, he is defensively ineffective and has required a great deal of investment to prop up while his offense is veering towards replaceable. With the Kraken draft approaching and a logjam to sort through for the protection list and cheaper LD on deck, converting Rielly to a premier playdriving LW/C (whoever that might be) in the offseason makes a lot of teambuilding sense to me.

Let's throw out an example: Florida gets steamrolled this season and scores pretty high on the draft lottery and decides to re-tool for another year or two, save a bit of money, open up a lane for Lundell, but also provide veteran leadership and the best partner Aaron Ekblad has ever played with. Leafs take back Sasha Barkov who requested a trade after yet another dismal season playing on America's wang.
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Yeah, I wasn't thinking of it from the Derozan angle, but I get what you're saying.
 
I think the problem with the Kawhi analogy is that he really was a game changing top 5 in the league sort of talent. In the NHL, those guys don't really move unless they demand out or something and even then the cost tends to be prohibitive even from a "win now" perspective.

Also, and this is more in the weeds, but the reason that trade worked as well as it did is that Kawhi immediately jumped into DeRozan's role as a scoring wing but was just an upgraded version.  Dealing Rielly for Barkov, as cool as it would be, would take a weak D group and blast a hole in it.
 
Yep, if a team wants Dermott its either coming as a deadline move in a package or its in the offseason.  You don't sacrifice depth on the blueline if you are hoping for a deep playoff run.
 
Nik said:
I think the problem with the Kawhi analogy is that he really was a game changing top 5 in the league sort of talent. In the NHL, those guys don't really move unless they demand out or something and even then the cost tends to be prohibitive even from a "win now" perspective.

Also, and this is more in the weeds, but the reason that trade worked as well as it did is that Kawhi immediately jumped into DeRozan's role as a scoring wing but was just an upgraded version.  Dealing Rielly for Barkov, as cool as it would be, would take a weak D group and blast a hole in it.
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Agreed on all fronts. Plus, you're not getting a top 5 type player by dealing just Rielly, so how much more are you sacrificing?
 
bustaheims said:
CarltonTheBear said:
Kypreos thinks the Leafs should trade Robertson and Kerfoot for Bennett.

lol
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Oh, Kyper...got punched in the face a few too many times.
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I mean....if he doesn't get traded it's very likely he's picked up by Seattle in the expansion draft.. Robertson?? How??
 
Which top-6 winger do you guys want
I have no inside information but these are the reasonable names that have been bandied about:

Alex Iafallo, 27 y.o. undrafted LW with good resilient puck hounding instincts
Mikael Grandlund, 28 y.o. left shot C who could 3C, or complement a top-6
Conor Garland, 24 y.o. RW who once scored a goal with his face
 
Frycer14 said:
Bender said:
CarltonTheBear said:
Kypreos thinks the Leafs should trade Robertson and Kerfoot for Bennett.

lol
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And that's why he's not in tv anymore.
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No, I doubt bad takes are the reason. Bad takes are as marketable if not more so than good ones.
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It's time to bring back Peklund then. Dude would make a fortune.
 
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