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Armchair GM Thread 2020-2021

Dappleganger said:
So what kind of right-shot defenceman can the Leafs get for Kerfoot + Dermott + 15th pick?
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Who knows? Not sure you're getting a Parayko for that kind of package but again it depends on the team you're dealing with and if they need to shed salary. Some teams will have an internal cap set because of lost revenues from covid. Leafs may be able to take advantage here.
 
Is anyone else worried about Pietrangelo possibly signing with the Bruins if Krug walks? Boston might be more willing to break their internal pay structure for a true #1 dman
 
Crake said:
Is anyone else worried about Pietrangelo possibly signing with the Bruins if Krug walks? Boston might be more willing to break their internal pay structure for a true #1 dman
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I think any team with cap space would at least kick the tires on Pietrangelo. 

I know he's a lefty, but Krug is interesting too.
 
Crake said:
Is anyone else worried about Pietrangelo possibly signing with the Bruins if Krug walks? Boston might be more willing to break their internal pay structure for a true #1 dman
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You know, Pietrangelo is going to be 31 when this deal starts. Locked in at, say, 9+ million over 6-7 years seems very risky to me, so I probably wouldn't mind at all if Boston replaced Krug with AP (Granted, the amount of WWE moves that Boston seemingly gets away with that has also allowed Chara to play into his late 50's may eliminate much of that risk).
 
Andy said:
You know, Pietrangelo is going to be 31 when this deal starts. Locked in at, say, 9+ million over 6-7 years seems very risky to me,
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Yeah, I think I'm kind of in this line of thinking. I would assume any deal Pietrangelo signs is going to have a NTC, so adding to the top-heavy cap team on a declining player is a heck of a risk the way the leafs are structured. They kind of made their bed with Tavares, not that I think it was necessarily a bad move, but it should take the leafs out of the running here from a managerial choice.

I'd really like to see them spend on some poor man's Muzzins. ie - Gudas/Dillon.
 
Frank E said:
Crake said:
Is anyone else worried about Pietrangelo possibly signing with the Bruins if Krug walks? Boston might be more willing to break their internal pay structure for a true #1 dman
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I think any team with cap space would at least kick the tires on Pietrangelo. 

I know he's a lefty, but Krug is interesting too.
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Not worried about Boston getting AP. I think he stays in St Louis. And a big no to Krug. Too much cash for what he brings.
 
herman said:
A collection of articles about defensemen the Leafs should pursue via trade or free agency:
https://theleafsnation.com/2020/09/08/maple-leafs-trade-targets-defencemen/
https://theleafsnation.com/2020/09/05/5-defensemen-not-named-alex-pietrangelo-that-the-leafs-might-consider-signing/
https://theathletic.com/2027112/2020/09/08/trade-targets-part-1-scouring-the-west-for-the-defenceman-the-leafs-need/
https://theathletic.com/2037216/2020/09/09/trade-targets-part-2-scouring-the-east-for-the-defenceman-the-leafs-need/
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/maple-leafs-15-intriguing-trade-targets-defence/
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https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2020/9/15/21428268/toronto-maple-leafs-trade-for-defenseman-colton-parayko-ryan-pulock-brett-pesce-and-more-options
 
Bender said:
I really don't think we can afford him.  Our F depth will get crushed...
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I guess there is one other option that involves removing a large-ish cap hit from our defence but nobody's going to like it.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Bender said:
I really don't think we can afford him.  Our F depth will get crushed...
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I guess there is one other option that involves removing a large-ish cap hit from our defence but nobody's going to like it.
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That's a DeMar DeRozan-level move. I wouldn't consider Pietrangelo a Kawhi-level player (is there even one in hockey?).
 
Dappleganger said:
Dappleganger said:
So what kind of right-shot defenceman can the Leafs get for Kerfoot + Dermott + 15th pick?
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https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/2022090
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A) That's a tier or two below the player we'd hope to get for such a heavy trade haul
B) Does anyone else play the game of 'which publication did the Score paraphrase?' when they see a link?
 
herman said:
Dappleganger said:
Dappleganger said:
So what kind of right-shot defenceman can the Leafs get for Kerfoot + Dermott + 15th pick?
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https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/2022090
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A) That's a tier or two below the player we'd hope to get for such a heavy trade haul
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Value wise that might be pretty fair. I mean we're giving up 3 pretty good assets there but at the end of the day Dumba is the best one of the bunch. The problem is more he's not the type of player we'd hope to get for such a heavy trade haul I think.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Value wise that might be pretty fair. I mean we're giving up 3 pretty good assets there but at the end of the day Dumba is the best one of the bunch. The problem is more he's not the type of player we'd hope to get for such a heavy trade haul I think.
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I'd put Dumba at 2/3 of those listed pieces, not 3, but you're absolutely right the primary problem is he's not the type of player we should be targeting.
 
herman said:
Dappleganger said:
Dappleganger said:
So what kind of right-shot defenceman can the Leafs get for Kerfoot + Dermott + 15th pick?
Click to expand...

https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/2022090
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A) That's a tier or two below the player we'd hope to get for such a heavy trade haul
B) Does anyone else play the game of 'which publication did the Score paraphrase?' when they see a link?
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If you can get Matt Dumba for a third line centre, a defenseman that can only crack the 3rd pairing, and a mid round 1st, you take it and run.

I think you're overvaluing Kerfoot and Dermott.

I also think the Leafs need to make some very bold moves this off-season, and can't afford not to trade some forward firepower for a 1st pairing rock.  I don't know if Matt Dumba is that guy, but Pietrangelo sure is.
 
Frank E said:
If you can get Matt Dumba for a third line centre, a defenseman that can only crack the 3rd pairing, and a mid round 1st, you take it and run.

I think you're overvaluing Kerfoot and Dermott.

I also think the Leafs need to make some very bold moves this off-season, and can't afford not to trade some forward firepower for a 1st pairing rock.  I don't know if Matt Dumba is that guy, but Pietrangelo sure is.
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Matt Dumba is basically a Tyson Barrie who played on a really good defensive team.

I think you are undervaluing Dermott and Kerfoot (and this year's 15th OA pick). Sure they are 3rd pair/line players in our current iteration, but they are also players who can actually move up the lineup (even to the top) for extended spells. We already saw clearly with Kapanen and Engvall, it is not a guarantee that a 3rd line player can hang with top-6 creativity. The Leafs have scoring depth issues at the bottom of the lineup already and also need to mitigate injury issues.

Travis Dermott's metrics in his first three full seasons also track very similarly to another former third-pair defenseman.
https://twitter.com/KPapetti/status/1303531246509842432
 
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