Auston Matthews

[Kin]

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that this is being blown wildly out of proportion but here we are all the same.

 

[L K]

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that this is being blown wildly out of proportion but here we are all the same.

Honestly I think the Leafs should try and void his contract and I hope he has to live a homeless lifestyle for the rest of his existence. 

 

[ZBBM]

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that this is being blown wildly out of proportion but here we are all the same.

Honestly I think the Leafs should try and void his contract and I hope he has to live a homeless lifestyle for the rest of his existence.

Or suspend him for 10 games and give the C to Tavares.  That works for me.

 

[Phileas Fogg]

Or suspend him for 10 games and give the C to Tavares.  That works for me.

Well, if you believe Dreger, the C wasn't going to be given to captain underpants regardless.

Regarding the pound of flesh of lack thereof one expects out of this; I think folks have to couch what they'd prefer- likeable players and personalities, or on-ice success, because both aren't always going to line up.

 

[hockeyfan1]

Good article.  Basically like many here who have resonated similar opinions:

It?s wrong to treat a woman the way it has been reported.  It?s horrendous to disrespect a veteran of any era

What has to happen is for Matthews ? who I still considered innocent until proven otherwise ? to step up and properly apologize to security guard Fayola Dozithee for the alleged behaviour outside his Scottsdale, Arizona condominium.

Stand up like a man and fix this.

None of this has to hurt his brilliant career or take anything away from what is a decent young man who is adored by millions of Maple Leafs fans in Canada and in his home country of the United States.

We still love Auston. But he needs some tough love here. Not coddling.

He knows what he (allegedly) did. He needs to show contrition ? not after it?s sorted out in court but now, before the NHL season begins.

What?s wrong is wrong.

Tie Domi set the standard by inviting a fan he got into a fight with in the penalty box in 2001 in Philadelphia to come to Toronto for a game.

Classy.

...the team could consider suspending and fining Matthews and donate any withheld income to American and Canadian veterans suffering from PTSD.

Of course MLSE and Matthews have the power to not do any of this and just power through it. But it doesn?t mean they should.

Make this right Auston.

Story:
https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/warmington-time-for-auston-matthews-to-man-up

 

[Stebro]

Not too impressed by Matthews in this situation. I say give Rielly the C. Matthews shouldn't put himself in a situation like this, to me it doesn't matter if it is one incident, and then not tell the leafs about is shortely after. If it's true that the guys tried to open the car door, it's quite creepy as well and a really poor judgement. If I were an owner I would probably make sure that everyone understands that if he is named captain now, then someone will be fired. I am proud over Kyle Dubas, over what he is saying, and how he is dealing with the situation.

I think with Rielly entering UFA in a couple if years they won't give it to him. They give him the C it puts them over a barrel when trying to negotiate a new contract.

Tavares makes the most sense.

The only reason why I am sitting on the fence with Tavares is him being named captain after one season here. However he did have a great season, has the experience, but we shall see.

 

[hockeyfan1]

Not too impressed by Matthews in this situation. I say give Rielly the C. Matthews shouldn't put himself in a situation like this, to me it doesn't matter if it is one incident, and then not tell the leafs about is shortely after. If it's true that the guys tried to open the car door, it's quite creepy as well and a really poor judgement. If I were an owner I would probably make sure that everyone understands that if he is named captain now, then someone will be fired. I am proud over Kyle Dubas, over what he is saying, and how he is dealing with the situation.

I think with Rielly entering UFA in a couple if years they won't give it to him. They give him the C it puts them over a barrel when trying to negotiate a new contract.

Tavares makes the most sense.

The only reason why I am sitting on the fence with Tavares is him being named captain after one season here. However he did have a great season, has the experience, but we shall see.

I don?t think it matters really that Tavares only has one season as a Maple Leaf under his belt.  After all, he had been captain of the Islanders prior to his joining the Leafs.  That alone should be experience enough. 

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Good article.  Basically like many here who have resonated similar opinions:

It?s wrong to treat a woman the way it has been reported.  It?s horrendous to disrespect a veteran of any era

What has to happen is for Matthews ? who I still considered innocent until proven otherwise ? to step up and properly apologize to security guard Fayola Dozithee for the alleged behaviour outside his Scottsdale, Arizona condominium.

Stand up like a man and fix this.

None of this has to hurt his brilliant career or take anything away from what is a decent young man who is adored by millions of Maple Leafs fans in Canada and in his home country of the United States.

We still love Auston. But he needs some tough love here. Not coddling.

He knows what he (allegedly) did. He needs to show contrition ? not after it?s sorted out in court but now, before the NHL season begins.

What?s wrong is wrong.

Tie Domi set the standard by inviting a fan he got into a fight with in the penalty box in 2001 in Philadelphia to come to Toronto for a game.

Classy.

...the team could consider suspending and fining Matthews and donate any withheld income to American and Canadian veterans suffering from PTSD.

Of course MLSE and Matthews have the power to not do any of this and just power through it. But it doesn?t mean they should.

Make this right Auston.

Story:
https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/warmington-time-for-auston-matthews-to-man-up

You're innocent until proven guilty but apologize anyways?

 

[Bullfrog]

You can be innocent of crime, but still have done wrong.

 

[Zee]

You can be innocent of crime, but still have done wrong.

We've still only heard 1 side of the story. 

 

[CarltonTheBear]

You can be innocent of crime, but still have done wrong.

We've still only heard 1 side of the story. 

Does it really matter what Auston's "side" of the story is? I mean is there any explanation that he could give that could make all of this a non-issue? There's reportedly evidence that the guard's second half of the story is correct (video of Auston with his pants down). It really wouldn't make much sense for the first half of the story to be a complete fabrication.

 

[Bullfrog]

From the legal perspective, yes, it would absolutely matter what his side of the story is. I agree he's done an idiotic thing; one which hurts the cause to eliminate "toxic masculinity", but the legal offense is a completely different story from the moral wrong.

 

[herman]

https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2019/09/26/kyle-dubas-on-auston-matthews-disorderly-conduct-charge/

What needs to happen for your relationship with Auston after not finding out about this?

Dubas: I just think a discussion in-depth as to the way it went about. I think I?ve got a pretty good idea about that. For us, you don?t want it to come off as an excuse at all, but you often go through experiences ? going back to my time in the Soo and then here ? where you have moments, because the players are so prolific athletically and very unique in their field, where you forget that they?re 20-21, 18, 23 or 24. Moments like this remind you of that.

They also remind you of the onus that we have as an organization to continue to develop our people in how they conduct their business off the ice. I don?t think it will negatively impact the relationship with Auston. With everything that happens, where someone doesn?t meet the level of expectation you have for them or they have for themselves, it is an opportunity for them to learn and to grow. That is how we will approach it, as with anything.

[...]

Kids make kid mistakes. Did you expect more from the agent in this case?

Dubas: I don?t know the exact details as of yet. I think Judd has been great since we learned about it in getting us information and helping us to kind of piece it all together. Of course, I would?ve liked for somebody to come forth before and let us know. I think that expectation goes to everyone involved, not one person or another ? all of them, and predominantly, with all of our players, if they do have something that happens away from the rink or something at the rink that is bothering them or that goes on, we need them to be able to come to us and for us to be able to help them or provide guidance.

Dubas just takes to responsibility like a sponge.

 

[Kin]

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that this is being blown wildly out of proportion but here we are all the same.

Honestly I think the Leafs should try and void his contract and I hope he has to live a homeless lifestyle for the rest of his existence.

Or suspend him for 10 games and give the C to Tavares.  That works for me.

Like we very literally went over the fact that the Team probably can't suspend him a few pages back.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

From the legal perspective, yes, it would absolutely matter what his side of the story is. I agree he's done an idiotic thing; one which hurts the cause to eliminate "toxic masculinity", but the legal offense is a completely different story from the moral wrong.

I didn't really mean it from a legal perspective. Although since it's brought up, is that really that big of a deal? Does anything expect Matthews to come out of this with anything more than a fine?

I meant it more from a moral/fan perspective though. His side of the story just doesn't really matter to me. If he still denied any of this happened like his father originally did I'd be even more disappointed in him than I was before because I think it's pretty clear that there was an incident here. And if he just tries to play up the "it was a prank" stuff that won't mean anything to me either. All Matthews' side of the story should be is that he messed up and that he's truely sorry for his actions.

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/ThePointHockey/status/1177563454711980032

The hook on this article is not about Matthews, but he does feature as the positive example. If you're wondering why Matthews scores so much, this is a good place to start. On top of his developed skills, his work with Darryl Belfry (Leafs skills consultant) even prior to his NHL career was in identifying areas of inefficiency and taking corrective action or developing new patterns to take advantage of more opportunities.

Using the differential on the chart is a good deal more difficult to understand lol

 

[Bullfrog]

From the legal perspective, yes, it would absolutely matter what his side of the story is. I agree he's done an idiotic thing; one which hurts the cause to eliminate "toxic masculinity", but the legal offense is a completely different story from the moral wrong.

I didn't really mean it from a legal perspective. Although since it's brought up, is that really that big of a deal? Does anything expect Matthews to come out of this with anything more than a fine?

I meant it more from a moral/fan perspective though. His side of the story just doesn't really matter to me. If he still denied any of this happened like his father originally did I'd be even more disappointed in him than I was before because I think it's pretty clear that there was an incident here. And if he just tries to play up the "it was a prank" stuff that won't mean anything to me either. All Matthews' side of the story should be is that he messed up and that he's truely sorry for his actions.

I might have misread the point of your earlier post, because I agree with everything you say here with a minor exception: I'm OK if he explains it as "boys-will-be-boys" prank stuff, so long as he admits that he now understands why that's not an acceptable excuse and that he feels remorse for how the victim felt.

I wouldn't be surprised if he walks away without a fine.

 

[Zee]

You can be innocent of crime, but still have done wrong.

We've still only heard 1 side of the story. 

Does it really matter what Auston's "side" of the story is? I mean is there any explanation that he could give that could make all of this a non-issue? There's reportedly evidence that the guard's second half of the story is correct (video of Auston with his pants down). It really wouldn't make much sense for the first half of the story to be a complete fabrication.

Sure it matters.  What if it wasn't Auston that tried to open the door?  Or what if, they didn't try to open the door at all but instead the security guard made that part up?  They might have just been loud and obnoxious due to being drunk and she got out of her car to confront them? 

According to her statement, she originally had contact with them at 11pm to warn them about moving a car, so maybe when she saw them later acting like idiots she came out to chastise them more?  Maybe it's a stretch, but we don't really know right now.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Sure it matters.  What if it wasn't Auston that tried to open the door?  Or what if, they didn't try to open the door at all but instead the security guard made that part up?  They might have just been loud and obnoxious due to being drunk and she got out of her car to confront them? 

According to her statement, she originally had contact with them at 11pm to warn them about moving a car, so maybe when she saw them later acting like idiots she came out to chastise them more?  Maybe it's a stretch, but we don't really know right now.

Like I said, for me personally he'd have to have some hard evidence to support his side of the story for me to really believe him if he tried to say the guard was lying about core elements of her story.

I think we should also realize that Matthews' recollection of this night might be a little... hazy.

 

[Zee]

Sure it matters.  What if it wasn't Auston that tried to open the door?  Or what if, they didn't try to open the door at all but instead the security guard made that part up?  They might have just been loud and obnoxious due to being drunk and she got out of her car to confront them? 

According to her statement, she originally had contact with them at 11pm to warn them about moving a car, so maybe when she saw them later acting like idiots she came out to chastise them more?  Maybe it's a stretch, but we don't really know right now.

Like I said, for me personally he'd have to have some hard evidence to support his side of the story for me to really believe him if he tried to say the guard was lying about core elements of her story.

I think we should also realize that Matthews' recollection of this night might be a little... hazy.

True enough, but the only "evidence" is the video of him walking with his pants down.  We don't know anything of what happened before that other than what the security guard is saying.