Bernier traded to Anaheim

[Jolly good show chaps]

What was the Mandela quote?

 

[cabber24]

I would've been perfectly content for them to roll with exactly who they already had + sign a cheap backup for Bernier (which we have to do now) and let the kids who fill the holes gain some experience. The following season, when ~30M comes off our books is when fun could be had.

I still dislike the Anderson, what was the hurry to address goal tending? Anyway, that dead horse has been beaten enough.

 

[ZBBM]

Scrivens? (runs away.)

I literally was going to post that too.  And why not?  None of those goalies is anything other than a stopgap.

Back-ups by their nature are largely impermanent. The why not is that Scrivens is coming off two terrible seasons while there are options coming off of ok to good seasons. I think for a decision like that asking "why" is probably the priority and "because he used to play here" isn't much.

Nah, any of those guys is 6 of one, etc.  Might as well be Scrivens as Enroth.  Or vice versa, of course.

 

[Britishbulldog]

So...Lupul to the Ducks to complete the reunion...?  ;D

Lupul, Holland and Gardiner for Lindholm. 

 

[Highlander]

If the idea is to draft in the first 5 again this year, then I have no problem with Sparks getting some starts. I don't have a problem at all with Sparks as backup in any situation.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

What was the Mandela quote?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrAWrsb13bU

 

[hockeyfan1]

Good luck to Bernier in Anaheim.

Good article.  Pretty much sums up Bernier's stint here.  Also ...

With Bernier off the books, Toronto has a projected $3.56 million in cap space to spend. The Leafs still need to pay their No. 1 pick, and there have been whispers of a veteran UFA defenceman (James Wisniewski? Kris Russell?) joining the fold.


http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/jonathan-bernier-trade-toronto-maple-leafs-anaheim-ducks-conditional-draft-pick-backup-andersen/

 

[TBLeafer]

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They made a play for Stammer and Stammer stayed loyal.

I don't think they were after any 25-30 goal scoring wingers.  I think they think they already have enough of those for much, much cheaper right now.

JvR and ????

Matthews, Marner and a good chance of a rebounding Kadri.

 

[herman]

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They made a play for Stammer and Stammer stayed loyal.

I don't think they were after any 25-30 goal scoring wingers.  I think they think they already have enough of those for much, much cheaper right now.

JvR and ????

Matthews, Marner and a good chance of a rebounding Kadri.

2/3 are centres

 

[TBLeafer]

p
They made a play for Stammer and Stammer stayed loyal.

I don't think they were after any 25-30 goal scoring wingers.  I think they think they already have enough of those for much, much cheaper right now.

JvR and ????

Matthews, Marner and a good chance of a rebounding Kadri.

2/3 are centres

Oh right, well Nylander is being put on wing and he could reach that too.

 

[Al14]

Well, no more Reimer, and now, no more Bernier!  I'm cool with that. 

 

[Captain Canuck]

When the Leafs first traded for Bernier I thought he would take the #1 spot from Reimer and run with it. It turns out neither of them were the answer for this team as far as the new management group is concerned.

It appears they will be building from the net out as part of their strategy and really putting their stamp on the goalie position starting this fall.
As a fan it should be really interesting and exciting to see how the new tandem fares between the pipes.

Personally I don't think the back-up will be a free agent signing. I am leaning towards a trade for a good young somewhat underrated/untested goaltender who can be developed and perhaps challenge Andersen for the #1 job a few years from now. Due to the expansion draft there should be one out there that wouldn't normally be dealt, but GMs aren't going to want to lose them for nothing. Look for the Leafs to be opportunistic and take advantage of this situation.

 

[Al14]

When the Leafs first traded for Bernier I thought he would take the #1 spot from Reimer and run with it. It turns out neither of them were the answer for this team as far as the new management group is concerned.

It appears they will be building from the net out as part of their strategy and really putting their stamp on the goalie position starting this fall.
As a fan it should be really interesting and exciting to see how the new tandem fares between the pipes.

Personally I don't think the back-up will be a free agent signing. I am leaning towards a trade for a good young somewhat underrated/untested goaltender who can be developed and perhaps challenge Andersen for the #1 job a few years from now. Due to the expansion draft there should be one out there that wouldn't normally be dealt, but GMs aren't going to want to lose them for nothing. Look for the Leafs to be opportunistic and take advantage of this situation.

I knew it wasn't going to work out for Bernier with us on that Carolina shoot in goal!

Bernier really did let in a lot of bad, long distance goals.

Good luck with the Ducks!  Just remember, try to stay awake.  :-[

 

[Kin]

I wonder how much this has to do with the types of deals they've been offered. Defencemen seem to going at a premium, and forwards seem undervalued right now. No sense rushing deals if the value isn't there.

Maybe but three points come to mind:

1. If we're talking about the same group of players then I don't think dealing them now could credibly be called rushing things. Especially not if the things you're talking about as informing the market seem less like trends and more like semi-permanent things.

2. Expecting the market on some of these players to rise may be complicated by the fact that they're about to take on lesser roles.

3. There is some sense in "rushing" these deals if it opens up a line-up spot for a deserving player.

 

[KW Sluggo]

I would've been perfectly content for them to roll with exactly who they already had + sign a cheap backup for Bernier (which we have to do now) and let the kids who fill the holes gain some experience. The following season, when ~30M comes off our books is when fun could be had.

I agree. I feel the trade for Andersen was premature at this point in the rebuild. What we are is a young team in the first full season of the next generation of players. As such we cannot expect to make the playoffs no matter who we have in goal.

As has been pointed out, the numbers for Bernier and Andersen are similar. Despite the fact that I am no fan of Bernier I would have stuck with the status quo.

as far as the other comment in this thread about this being a disappointing off-season and the suggestion that the Leafs have not made any stupid moves, well that is only partly true.

I am not disappointed that they largely passed on the UFA market. I understand the reason why they signed the two they did and I accept the orthodoxy that Martin's overpayment (in term as wells dollars) is a function of the UFA marketplace in early July.

As far as stupid moves, I am not sure the draft choices beyond the first round qualify as stupid but they were strange in my opinion. The drafting of the 20 year old from western Canada who had twice gone undrafted can be explained, I suppose, by the fact he had a great season. I take no issue with Woll -- in fact I hope he turns into our goalie of the future. But drafting a player under contract in the KHL with the second round pick (particularly after having traded away pick # 30 to Anaheim) when he will be unavailable for at least one year and would be singable as a UFA in any event is problematic. The continued drafting of otherwise signable older players while passing on 18 year olds is troubling.

I suppose Hunter knows what he is doing but by and large if I could sign those players without having to expend a draft pick on them, I would have done that instead.

 

[Bonsixx]

I'm assuming Babcock told management in no uncertain terms he didn't want Bernier in his net next season. Based on the performance last year, it's a fair viewpoint.

 

[Coco-puffs]

But drafting a player under contract in the KHL with the second round pick (particularly after having traded away pick # 30 to Anaheim) when he will be unavailable for at least one year and would be singable as a UFA in any event is problematic. The continued drafting of otherwise signable older players while passing on 18 year olds is troubling.

I suppose Hunter knows what he is doing but by and large if I could sign those players without having to expend a draft pick on them, I would have done that instead.

Korshkov was the 7th ranked European skater by NHL Central Scouting and had a strong World Juniors.  There is no way he wasn't getting drafted this year and would never have been free to sign in a year.  You can argue they may have been able to grab him with their late 2nd round or 3rd round pick, but we don't know where other teams had him on their list.  Management coveted him so they weren't going to take the risk. 

 

[wnc096]

Good luck to Bernier in Anaheim.

Good article.  Pretty much sums up Bernier's stint here.  Also ...

With Bernier off the books, Toronto has a projected $3.56 million in cap space to spend. The Leafs still need to pay their No. 1 pick, and there have been whispers of a veteran UFA defenceman (James Wisniewski? Kris Russell?) joining the fold.


http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/jonathan-bernier-trade-toronto-maple-leafs-anaheim-ducks-conditional-draft-pick-backup-andersen/

I think the $3.56M inludes like $12M in contracts for cowan, robidas and horton.  depending on what happens with Cowan they could have like $15M in capspace

 

[Al14]

I'm assuming Babcock told management in no uncertain terms he didn't want Bernier in his net next season. Based on the performance last year, it's a fair viewpoint.

I wonder if any of his former teammates expressed their disappointment with goaltending during their exit interviews?  :-\

 

[Bonsixx]

I'm assuming Babcock told management in no uncertain terms he didn't want Bernier in his net next season. Based on the performance last year, it's a fair viewpoint.

I wonder if any of his former teammates expressed their disappointment with goaltending during their exit interviews?  :-\

I think everyone in the organization was disappointed with Bernier last year. Including Bernier. I hope he rebounds, he clearly has talent, but I think his time here was up and a fresh start with Freddy Andersen will be good.