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Bruins @ Leafs - Apr. 19th, 7:00pm - CBC, TSN 1050

Nik the Trik said:
Bender said:
But is this not partially a systems/coaching problem? I mean at this point I think I could play a 2 on 1 better than most of the Leafs D.

How many NHL defensemen do you think there are who haven't been taught the textbook way to play 2 on 1's?
Which baffles the mind as to why the Leafs can play one properly.
 
Strangelove said:
Antropov is officially retired.

They couldn?t bury their chances and Matthews was coasting. Frustrating game.

I only saw parts of the game but Matthews looked less involved than he did in game 3. Not his usual self, didn't really look comfortable/confident, seemed to have more trouble with the puck than usual. Maybe some of those hits have taken their toll.

Marner on the other hand, impresses me more all the time. He gets in there and battles along the boards, wins some battles and holds his own in many others, throws what little body he has around when necessary.
 
Guilt Trip said:
Nik the Trik said:
Bender said:
But is this not partially a systems/coaching problem? I mean at this point I think I could play a 2 on 1 better than most of the Leafs D.

How many NHL defensemen do you think there are who haven't been taught the textbook way to play 2 on 1's?
Which baffles the mind as to why the Leafs can play one properly.

I get the catharthis of hyperbole after a tough loss but i'm not sure it adds much to the discussion. Players fail to execute sometimes.
 
Nik the Trik said:
Guilt Trip said:
Nik the Trik said:
Bender said:
But is this not partially a systems/coaching problem? I mean at this point I think I could play a 2 on 1 better than most of the Leafs D.

How many NHL defensemen do you think there are who haven't been taught the textbook way to play 2 on 1's?
Which baffles the mind as to why the Leafs can play one properly.

I get the catharthis of hyperbole after a tough loss but i'm not sure it adds much to the discussion. Players fail to execute sometimes.
2 on 1s seemed to be an issue all year tho, but you're right, they don't always execute properly
 
Guilt Trip said:
2 on 1s seemed to be an issue all year tho

I don't agree. I certainly didn't watch this team all year and think "This team is notably bad at defending 2 on 1s". 2 on 1s are hard to defend and though some people like to oversimplify things, there's no one size fits all way to defend them.

In general, it's not the greatest group of defensive defensemen. That is apparent when they were defending all manner of tricky plays, 2 on 1s included.
 
The Leafs RHD are just so bad at getting pucks through. Zaitsev, Hainsey and Polak are all terrible. I don't know how many times they had the puck with tons of time and they would never look pass. They just shoot the puck almost blindly. Most of the time they miss the net. Sometimes if hits a player in front and very rarely does it even get though.
They need to learn to move with the puck and find a seam. You can't just stand there and shoot. It's too easy to block.
 
Bender said:
It seems to me to be a routine problem. Failing to execute doesn't happen only when the other team scores.

Sure. There are lots of variables in any play. A defenseman can play a 2 on 1 perfectly and the other team can still score and likewise he can play it terribly and not have them score.

That said, I still don't agree that this year's team was particularly bad at playing them and as someone who has watched a lot of this team and this board I think I could say with some confidence that this problem certainly hasn't been noticed much before last night which leads me to think the issue is probably being exaggerated.
 
Man, last night was such a huge opportunity. At home. No Bergeron. A chance to tie the series. What a wasted opportunity. I really think if we won that we would have had enough momentum to take the series. Now it's Boston's to lose. Hopefully we at least force a Game 6.
 
Wow, Kapanen was 20-3 in shot attempts last night, Johnsson 20-4. They were flying. I can't believe that they didn't bury one.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Wow, Kapanen was 20-3 in shot attempts last night, Johnsson 20-4. They were flying. I can't believe that they didn't bury one.

So many blocked shots, so many times I cringed when the puck went over to the right side D and it's Hainsey who is on his backhand and can't move it quickly.  The point guys couldn't get anything through.

Babcock has to make an adjustment.  Marner is playing well, pair him with Matthews since the top unit will be going against him.  That frees up Nylander to go against a lesser line (and lesser defense).  Marner might be able to open up more ice for Matthews since they'd be worried about Marner. 

How's about:

Marleau - Matthews - Marner
Johnsson - Kadri - Nylander
JVR - Bozak - Kapanen
Hyman - Plekanec - Brown

With the way Johnsson and Kapanen have been getting chances they deserve to be up higher in the lineup.  That 2nd line with Kadri could do damage especially since they wouldn't be facing the Bergeron line.  It's desperation time, if those lines don't work, then so be it.
 
bustaheims said:
That's a fair point. They need better options. And, honestly, watching the team, one of their biggest issues defensively is still that the forwards aren't helping enough - they're still forcing their teammates to make long passes instead of providing easy outs. It's a big part of what has been causing the defensive zone giveaways.

I'm sure that there's a happy medium somewhere but in Game 1 the forwards were coming down much lower as outlets and the defence were making much shorter passes, but it seemed everytime they completed one a Bruins player was immediately a foot behind the forward taking the pass and disrupting the play. Boston absolutely killed the Leafs breakout game like that early in the series. It wasn't until they started using the stretch pass more that they were getting cleaner exits. Obviously though those come with a risk.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Wow, Kapanen was 20-3 in shot attempts last night, Johnsson 20-4. They were flying. I can't believe that they didn't bury one.

Something fun:

Matthews - Kadri - Hyman
Marleau - Plekanec - Marner
Johnsson - Nylander - Kapanen
JvR - Bozak - Brown

Play to win, not play to not-lose. There's no more runway.
 
Guru Tugginmypuddah said:
Nik the Trik said:
TML fan said:
I'm not even going to say Rask is better

Oh, well, then allow me.

Ya given the choice between Andersen and Rask, I'm taking Rask, who I would like to take this opportunity to remind everyone, was a Toronto Maple Leaf at one point, who was traded away for Andrew Raycroft.  True story.

But lets not forget at the time it was a no brainer to trade away Rask. We also had Justin Pogge between the pipes. JUSTIN POGGE!!
 
Chris said:
Strangelove said:
Antropov is officially retired.

They couldn?t bury their chances and Matthews was coasting. Frustrating game.

I only saw parts of the game but Matthews looked less involved than he did in game 3. Not his usual self, didn't really look comfortable/confident, seemed to have more trouble with the puck than usual. Maybe some of those hits have taken their toll.

Marner on the other hand, impresses me more all the time. He gets in there and battles along the boards, wins some battles and holds his own in many others, throws what little body he has around when necessary.

I wouldn't be surprised to hear, after this series is wrapped up on Saturday night, that Matthews has been playing with some lingering health issues. He has not looked like the Auston Matthews of last season.
 
herman said:
CarltonTheBear said:
Wow, Kapanen was 20-3 in shot attempts last night, Johnsson 20-4. They were flying. I can't believe that they didn't bury one.

Something fun:

Matthews - Kadri - Hyman
Marleau - Plekanec - Marner
Johnsson - Nylander - Kapanen
JvR - Bozak - Brown

Play to win, not play to not-lose. There's no more runway.

I'd do that but switch Hyman and JvR. Get all your 30 goal scorers on the first line.
 
RedLeaf said:
Chris said:
Strangelove said:
Antropov is officially retired.

They couldn?t bury their chances and Matthews was coasting. Frustrating game.

I only saw parts of the game but Matthews looked less involved than he did in game 3. Not his usual self, didn't really look comfortable/confident, seemed to have more trouble with the puck than usual. Maybe some of those hits have taken their toll.

Marner on the other hand, impresses me more all the time. He gets in there and battles along the boards, wins some battles and holds his own in many others, throws what little body he has around when necessary.

I wouldn't be surprised to hear, after this series is wrapped up on Saturday night, that Matthews has been playing with some lingering health issues. He has not looked like the Auston Matthews of last season.

That's possible.  I hadn't thought of that.
 

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