Burke Fired
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Britishbulldog
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If the Leafs had simply made the playoffs the 2010 draft year, the players available at the 16th spot had names like Derek Forbort, Vladimir Tarasenko and Joey Hishon.
If the Leafs had simply made the playoffs the 2011 draft year, the players available at the 16th spot had names like Joel Armia, J. T. Miller and Jamie Oleksiak.
If the trade had been Kessel @ a ppg for Joey Hishon and Joel Armia it would have been a much different story. but...like Z B-B McFate said...Kessel was NOT a franchise player anyway.
If the Leafs had simply made the playoffs the 2011 draft year, the players available at the 16th spot had names like Joel Armia, J. T. Miller and Jamie Oleksiak.
If the trade had been Kessel @ a ppg for Joey Hishon and Joel Armia it would have been a much different story. but...like Z B-B McFate said...Kessel was NOT a franchise player anyway.
Kin
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Frank E said:
That was just me being all funny-like. That said, I think Burke is a guy who probably rubbed some people the wrong way. From little things like the thing with Murray at the draft or essentially accusing all GM's who gave out front loaded deals of circumventing the cap or trying to pass off Pittsburgh's success as luck or...
maplesyrup
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In case you missed it, today's word of the day was ?bombastic."
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Nik Pollock said:
I think the Murray thing was really inconsequential. He was right, and Bettman and much of the league supported the assertion that those contracts were a circumvention, and so much so that they sure hit those offending teams hard in this new CBA.
And I don't think his shot at the Pittsburgh model was a shot at anyone but the reporter asking the question.
Kin
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Frank E said:
I'm just putting it out there that there are reasons why some GM's might not like Burke even if they haven't been challenged to a round or two behind the farm house. Just in general I agree with cw that the likelihood is that the league will go a little lower key when it comes to replacing Gary Bettman.
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brothert
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IMO, which in the grand scheme doesn't mean much, timing is critical in such a firing. This whole event screams "we are winging it". In the grand scheme of things the leafs are a bubble team with or without Loungo. I belive that team defense is the issue and that Carlyle will struggle to correct it. Wilson ignored it completely. Burke could have been fired at the end of this season and nobody would have questioned it. I think that someone in the backrooms needed to pi$$ higher on the tree than Burke. I also feel that Nonis did not look comfortable with the way it all shook out today. In the end it looks like MLSE emasculated their GM and respected hockey man at the critical point of the upcoming season. Optics implies that the owners will meddle in hockey decisions to the probable detriment of the team where the toronto maple leafs are concerned. Hence the inevitable comparison to the ballard years. I think the owners today said more about their hockey ignorance today by firing burke than burkes failure to turn around the team. I belive that burke made mistakes during his time as GM but not enough credit was given to the wreck that JFJ had created. Unbelievably ownership had lost patience with Quinn after one mediocre season only to arrive to today where today will repeat the mistake. Time of couse will tell but ultimately leafs fans will look back on today with regret
hockeyfan1
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Justin said:
....but he also made that very alert save in the OT session, when Team Canada d-man Scott Niedermayer made an errant pass behind his own goal, onto the stick of an oncoming Team USA forward (forgot who it was), and Luongo stopped the shot. After that play, a few plays later, Crosby scored the OT winner.
hockeyfan1
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Madferret said:
Hey MF. good to see you back here. Can hardly wait for the Pick'em Challenge again! This shortened season will make it a little tougher to choose the winners, I guess. Well, we'll see to that. See 'ya soon over there! And everyone else, too!
hockeyfan1
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A part of me was stunned and a part of me wasn't. Mixed emotions, I suppose, upon learning of Burke having been fired.
Rogers & Bell obviously didn't agree with some of Burke's principles -- (and it cannot be only on the subject of Luongo only) -- and/or decision-making regarding the direction of the team (choice/timing/etc.).
Wherever Burke goes, I wish him well. (Even staying on as "senior advisor", it's doubtful he will be with the organization for long or even in another capacity). I admire Burke for standing firm in his beliefs through thick and thin. Sometimes not the best of decisions, but one can give him credit for at least trying to attempt to remake the Leafs into a more respectable, forward-looking club -- farm team/draft/prospects/etc. Burke wasn't perfect, by far and wide no, but he tried. Can't fault him for that.
Rogers & Bell obviously didn't agree with some of Burke's principles -- (and it cannot be only on the subject of Luongo only) -- and/or decision-making regarding the direction of the team (choice/timing/etc.).
Wherever Burke goes, I wish him well. (Even staying on as "senior advisor", it's doubtful he will be with the organization for long or even in another capacity). I admire Burke for standing firm in his beliefs through thick and thin. Sometimes not the best of decisions, but one can give him credit for at least trying to attempt to remake the Leafs into a more respectable, forward-looking club -- farm team/draft/prospects/etc. Burke wasn't perfect, by far and wide no, but he tried. Can't fault him for that.
Rebel_1812
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cw said:
The story I read between the lines is that he was a bit of a prima donna without the record to justify it and new ownership didn't like it.
Personally I feel it is a mistake. Burke has a good record in his moves. Most of his moves added more talent to the club then it subtracted. I hope Nonis will continue the record, but I don't feel he is at the level of Burke as GM.