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Hampreacher said:Not every player is going to be a Bobby Orr or a Scott Stevens nor should we expect them to be.
Yeah, you're right. It's over-critical fans who don't have perspective.
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Hampreacher said:Not every player is going to be a Bobby Orr or a Scott Stevens nor should we expect them to be.
Hampreacher said:Part of the reason that leafs cannot sign top flight free agents are their over critical fans. Given what and who Phaneuf plays against and the huge ice time he logs, that all plays into his performance and his plus minus. Did not Don Cherry make comments about this. Fans need to stop throwing their players under the bus. When free agents look at offers this does effect their destination. I have read comment after comment of players attributing Phaneuf's leadership and help. When Kadri was taking some conditioning training this past summer was notPhaneuf there to encourage Him. Not every player is going to be a Bobby Orr or a Scott Stevens nor should we expect them to be. Fans drove Macabe and Murphy away and who knows which free agents the fans critical spirit scared off.
According to behindthenet.ca (all of the following stats are based on five-on-five play), Fraser and his partner Cody Franson have played against the easiest competition of any Leafs defenceman. Most hockey fans probably aren?t surprised to hear that considering Fraser and Franson are the third pairing.
But, things get more interesting. Fraser has the highest offensive zone start percentage of any of the Leafs regular defenceman. Both of those factors ? low quality of competition and high offensive zone start percentage ? usually translate into strong puck possession numbers. It?s pretty intuitive: if you?re starting more often than not in the offensive zone, against the other teams? worst players, then usually you do a pretty good job of controlling the puck. Not so for Fraser. His Relative Corsi is 4.6, which is fourth amongst Leafs defenceman behind Franson, Carl Gunnarsson and Mike Kostka. Fraser?s puck possession numbers aren?t bad, they?re just not as high as you?d expect considering the situations he?s played in.
TheMightyOdin said:Can't really compare the two players. Sundin was an absolute superstar stud of a captain.
Hampreacher said:When are some of you going to see that Phaneuf plays against the oppositions top ofensive players. That is going to effect his plus minus. He is probably the leafs top all round defenceman. He has also demonstrated great leadership as captain. Not everybody is going to be a Scott Stevens or Bobby Orr.
Bonsixx said:TheMightyOdin said:Can't really compare the two players. Sundin was an absolute superstar stud of a captain.
Who ultimately accomplished nothing in Toronto.
If Phaneuf ever lifts a Cup here, and I'm certainly not suggesting he will, he probably goes down as the greatest captain of the modern era.
Bullfrog said:I highly doubt that. Hall of famer Sundin will always be more highly regarded.
BlueWhiteBlood said:Bullfrog said:I highly doubt that. Hall of famer Sundin will always be more highly regarded.
I agree, Phaneuf would have to provoke a change in the fans, much like Sundin did, to really have any chance of that.
Zee said:Are you guys joking? IF Phaneuf captains this team to the Cup, unless he's injured the entire playoff run he'll be a huge part of that. Suggesting a Cup winning captain won't we as highly regarded as someone who never won one is ludicrous. I'll be chiseling the statue of Phaneuf myself if he ever wins a Cup here. 50 years or so of drought tends to put perspective on winning one.
OldTimeHockey said:Hampreacher said:When are some of you going to see that Phaneuf plays against the oppositions top ofensive players. That is going to effect his plus minus. He is probably the leafs top all round defenceman. He has also demonstrated great leadership as captain. Not everybody is going to be a Scott Stevens or Bobby Orr.
I think if you say the same thing for a 3rd time, most people will start to realise.
leafplasma said:There really isn't any other player on this team that strikes me as the Captain type.
Rebel_1812 said:OldTimeHockey said:Hampreacher said:When are some of you going to see that Phaneuf plays against the oppositions top ofensive players. That is going to effect his plus minus. He is probably the leafs top all round defenceman. He has also demonstrated great leadership as captain. Not everybody is going to be a Scott Stevens or Bobby Orr.
I think if you say the same thing for a 3rd time, most people will start to realise.
I think trolls will try to make smart ass remarks no matter how true a statement is nor how often it is repeated.
Rob said:@mattiaboni
Dion Phaneuf has 3 assists tonight, 5 hits & 15:50 TOI after 2 periods #TMLtalk
CarltonTheBear said:Rob said:@mattiaboni
Dion Phaneuf has 3 assists tonight, 5 hits & 15:50 TOI after 2 periods #TMLtalk
My MOTM so far. He's done what he can to shut down/limit Crosby.