Captain Phaneuf

[losveratos]

P.S. If you're going to quote someone quote them properly. Your signature has a major mistake. And if it's not a mistake and rather a joke about how democracy is dictatorship now... take that persons names off that you're quoting.

Thanks! I hadn't noticed the typo until now. Corrected!

I'd read it more than once and never noticed.

I see everything! 

Now where's my glasses?

 

[Kin]

I think, if anything, it's simply his abilities compared to his teammates. He's the best all around defenseman on the team, so he's going to have the most minutes. I haven't reviewed the other ice-time leaders' situations, but his high minutes are evidence of the gap in talent compared to the other defensemen on the team where some of the other defenders who are better than him might also have teammates closer in ability that they can share minutes with.

I think there's more to it than just being the best of a bad bunch. The Rangers, for instance, have 3 defensemen in the top 30 in terms of ice time because they have three really good defensmen. The flip to it, though, is that there are guys like Campbell and Johnson right there with Phaneuf who do fall into the category of kind of getting that ice time by default.

Ryan Suter, who's leading the league in the stat, obviously contributes some amount of value by being able to be on the ice 12-15% more than your average #1 defenseman, I'm just not sure how much.

 

[Kin]

I see everything! 

take that persons names off that you're quoting.

"Persons" is plural, "person's" is possessive.

I meant his unbelievable over use of sarcasm to essentially call anyone and everyone an idiot passive aggressively.

"Overuse" is one word. "Passive-aggressively" should be hyphenated.

So, I don't know, maybe just a word of advice that you may want to spend a little more time using those powers of sight on your own posts and their typos and a little less on obsessing over mine to the point where you feel like you're qualified to weigh in on how they've changed in tenor over the years.

 

[Courtnall]

I see everything! 

take that persons names off that you're quoting.

"Persons" is plural, "person's" is possessive.

I meant his unbelievable over use of sarcasm to essentially call anyone and everyone an idiot passive aggressively.

"Overuse" is one word. "Passive-aggressively" should be hyphenated.

So, I don't know, maybe just a word of advice that you may want to spend a little more time using those powers of sight on your own posts and their typos and a little less on obsessing over mine to the point where you feel like you're qualified to weigh in on how they've changed in tenor over the years.

Lmao, this is not a childish post at all.

 

[losveratos]

I see everything! 

take that persons names off that you're quoting.

"Persons" is plural, "person's" is possessive.

I meant his unbelievable over use of sarcasm to essentially call anyone and everyone an idiot passive aggressively.

"Overuse" is one word. "Passive-aggressively" should be hyphenated.

So, I don't know, maybe just a word of advice that you may want to spend a little more time using those powers of sight on your own posts and their typos and a little less on obsessing over mine to the point where you feel like you're qualified to weigh in on how they've changed in tenor over the years.

I will attack this in two parts. First... I was speaking in regards to your signature having a profoundly different meaning due to your mistake than just a mere spelling or grammar mistake. Honestly, when you're talking in a forum and just sending quick messages. The only thing I think people need worry about is making their posts understandable. Not perfect. That's just anal. Which also comes back to your ever expanding personality (personal opinion of course).

Second using my spelling mistakes and obvious exaggeration of seeing everything in an attempt of humour, when I responded to someone else... well... it's just childish. It's also sometimes referred to as an ad hominem. It's a common argument tactic of taking a disagreement to the person rather than trying to actually use real logic to disprove them. I've been reading and occasionally purposely not reading your posts for years. One of your earliest names that I can remember is Nik the Trick. And obviously you were in a lot of ways the same then too. Just I felt that back then you had the capacity to be a leader on this website. Instead you became more of the bad than the good in my opinion.

An all purpose general bully who belittles people he doesn't like, shows passive-aggressiveness to those that disagree, and just all around bullying when he feels attacked or threatened.

If you have the right to be what some days feels like 50% of all posts on the website... just like our team captain's almost 50% of icetime playing defense. Then I feel you're open to equal criticism. Especially when other people try to state their opinions and instead of posting a valid argument you sometimes just use the methods I outlined above.

See how I tied it back into the topic 

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Yet, because of the really weak goaltending, he was a 0, in the plus-minus category, notwithstanding his 3 assists.

2 of his 3 assists were on the Powerplay...Therefore, those 2 points don't count for a positive. Essentially, he was on for 1 goal for at even strength and one against(or some variance like that).

 

[OldTimeHockey]

P.S. If you're going to quote someone quote them properly. Your signature has a major mistake. And if it's not a mistake and rather a joke about how democracy is dictatorship now... take that persons names off that you're quoting.

Thanks! I hadn't noticed the typo until now. Corrected!

I'd read it more than once and never noticed.

As did I. I even compared it to the actual quote I found.

 

[Frank E]

I see everything! 

take that persons names off that you're quoting.

"Persons" is plural, "person's" is possessive.

I meant his unbelievable over use of sarcasm to essentially call anyone and everyone an idiot passive aggressively.

"Overuse" is one word. "Passive-aggressively" should be hyphenated.

So, I don't know, maybe just a word of advice that you may want to spend a little more time using those powers of sight on your own posts and their typos and a little less on obsessing over mine to the point where you feel like you're qualified to weigh in on how they've changed in tenor over the years.

I will attack this in two parts. First... I was speaking in regards to your signature having a profoundly different meaning due to your mistake than just a mere spelling or grammar mistake. Honestly, when you're talking in a forum and just sending quick messages. The only thing I think people need worry about is making their posts understandable. Not perfect. That's just anal. Which also comes back to your ever expanding personality (personal opinion of course).

Second using my spelling mistakes and obvious exaggeration of seeing everything in an attempt of humour, when I responded to someone else... well... it's just childish. It's also sometimes referred to as an ad hominem. It's a common argument tactic of taking a disagreement to the person rather than trying to actually use real logic to disprove them. I've been reading and occasionally purposely not reading your posts for years. One of your earliest names that I can remember is Nik the Trick. And obviously you were in a lot of ways the same then too. Just I felt that back then you had the capacity to be a leader on this website. Instead you became more of the bad than the good in my opinion.

An all purposegeneral bully who belittles people he doesn't like, shows passive-aggressiveness to those that disagree, and just all around bullying when he feels attacked or threatened.

If you have the right to be what some days feels like 50% of all posts on the website... just like our team captain's almost 50% of icetime playing defense. Then I feel you're open to equal criticism. Especially when other people try to state their opinions and instead of posting a valid argument you sometimes just use the methods I outlined above.

See how I tied it back into the topic 

All-purpose should be hyphenated.

Sometimes you've just got to remind yourself that after all, it's just an argument on a hockey forum. 

Don't take yourself, or Nik, so seriously.

 

[Kin]

Instead you became more of the bad than the good in my opinion.

Ok, please get it through your head that I don't care about your opinion of me. You're not a mod here, I have absolutely no interest in what you have to say.

If you have the right to be what some days feels like 50% of all posts on the website... just like our team captain's almost 50% of icetime playing defense. Then I feel you're open to equal criticism. Especially when other people try to state their opinions and instead of posting a valid argument you sometimes just use the methods I outlined above.

You can feel that way but your problems with me, and I'm not even going to bring up the laughable idea that you started whining about me going ad hominem(not to mention you used it incorrectly), aren't supposed to be fodder for the board. It's one of the board's rules. Personal issues? Take them to PM. Despite the fact that you seem to do it with a belt tightened around your neck and a car battery hooked up to your unmentionables, I actually find talking about myself fairly boring and I suspect that goes for most.

 

[dappleganger]

So, what would people think of a trade built around Phaneuf going to Tampa in exchange for Vinny Lecavalier and his monstrous contract?

I know Vinny doesn't score like he used to but I envision him between Phil and Lupul and he is a cup winner.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Though I'm not a Phaneuf supporter, my biggest issue with moving him is who replaces him?

 

[proteus2000]

Though I'm not a Phaneuf supporter, my biggest issue with moving him is who replaces him?

My merits exactly. They have many D but no one else that can compete against top lines every shift.

 

[maplesyrup]

So, what would people think of a trade built around Phaneuf going to Tampa in exchange for Vinny Lecavalier and his monstrous contract?

I know Vinny doesn't score like he used to but I envision him between Phil and Lupul and he is a cup winner.

DP is probably the better player right now without the horrific contract. I don't make that deal without some serious other assets coming back.

 

[L K]

So, what would people think of a trade built around Phaneuf going to Tampa in exchange for Vinny Lecavalier and his monstrous contract?

I know Vinny doesn't score like he used to but I envision him between Phil and Lupul and he is a cup winner.

DP is probably the better player right now without the horrific contract. I don't make that deal without some serious other assets coming back.

As much as I'm not a huge fan of Phaneuf as a #1 top level defenseman (top 5-10), he's a top pairing #1 (top 30 or better) player.  You aren't getting that kind of performance out of Lecavalier and are taking on a really awful contract. 

I really wouldn't want to see how bad the Leafs defense would be without Phaneuf.

 

[maplesyrup]

So, what would people think of a trade built around Phaneuf going to Tampa in exchange for Vinny Lecavalier and his monstrous contract?

I know Vinny doesn't score like he used to but I envision him between Phil and Lupul and he is a cup winner.

DP is probably the better player right now without the horrific contract. I don't make that deal without some serious other assets coming back.

As much as I'm not a huge fan of Phaneuf as a #1 top level defenseman (top 5-10), he's a top pairing #1 (top 30 or better) player.  You aren't getting that kind of performance out of Lecavalier and are taking on a really awful contract. 

I really wouldn't want to see how bad the Leafs defense would be without Phaneuf.

Yeah, I agree with everything there.

 

[leafplasma]

Dion Phaneuf after a slow start (remember the 1 assist in the first 11 games) now has 7 goals and 20 points in his last 24 games.  Overall, he has 21 points in 35 games. His plus minus not that it is much of a stat to be concerned a whole lot about is up to -4  after it being down to -11 at one point.  He is 7th in the NHL in dman points and 2nd in dman goals.  He is doing this while playing against team's top lines and relied on heavily to play a shutdown defensive role.  Turning into a nice little season for Dion.  With all the criticism that he gets I thought it would  be fitting to give him a little shout out.

 

[maplesyrup]

Good post.

 

[Boston Leaf]

Dion Phaneuf after a slow start (remember the 1 assist in the first 11 games) now has 7 goals and 20 points in his last 24 games.  Overall, he has 21 points in 35 games. His plus minus not that it is much of a stat to be concerned a whole lot about is up to -4  after it being down to -11 at one point.  He is 7th in the NHL in dman points and 2nd in dman goals.  He is doing this while playing against team's top lines and relied on heavily to play a shutdown defensive role.  Turning into a nice little season for Dion.  With all the criticism that he gets I thought it would  be fitting to give him a little shout out.

totally agree.. It kills some to admit he played well last night even..

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Dion Phaneuf after a slow start (remember the 1 assist in the first 11 games) now has 7 goals and 20 points in his last 24 games.  Overall, he has 21 points in 35 games. His plus minus not that it is much of a stat to be concerned a whole lot about is up to -4  after it being down to -11 at one point.  He is 7th in the NHL in dman points and 2nd in dman goals.  He is doing this while playing against team's top lines and relied on heavily to play a shutdown defensive role.  Turning into a nice little season for Dion.  With all the criticism that he gets I thought it would  be fitting to give him a little shout out.

He's also on an 82 game pace for ~50 points, which would be his highest total since 07-08, and tied for 2nd highest in his career.  Also on an 82 game pace for 16 goals, which would be third highest in his career.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I'm actually shocked that he's tied for 2nd in goals among defencemen. I just didn't realize that he had that many.