Carter to LA

[Tigger]

That would be a tough call, but I'm okay with hanging on to Jake.

Me too, just using that comparison says a lot to me. Give him a year or two to add some beef and really find his game, I think we'll all be pretty happy having him on the team.

 

[Bender]

Yeah that's a no brainer IMO. I think Jake would make the trade look lopsided in 3-4 years. I'd say Jake is the closest player to untouchable that we have.

Sent from my Nexus S using Tapatalk

 

[Kin]

Jack Johnson is a great example of "experts" and actual NHL coaches and GM's not being as good at analyzing a players talents as you would think, they clearly think he is much better than the numbers clearly show he is.

Yeah? Is that numbers plural or just plus/minus? His blocked shots numbers are actually pretty good. He gets credited with a decent amount of hits too.

 

[Madferret]

Has there been any info on if Burke was in on Carter or made any offers?

 

[Mikhail Bloodnovsky]

To me, this says if we wanted Carter it would have taken Gardiner + our 1st.

That would be a tough call, but I'm okay with hanging on to Jake.

That would have been something though. Buchamin + 1st for Lupul and Carter.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Yeah that's a no brainer IMO. I think Jake would make the trade look lopsided in 3-4 years. I'd say Jake is the closest player to untouchable that we have.

Sent from my Nexus S using Tapatalk

There are no untouchables....even Jake.

 

[Madferret]

I'm a bit shocked Burke wasn't all over this <if he wasn't, if he was then I acquiesce> - guys like Carter don't become available too often and I don't think the asking price was too high. Maybe he's got his sights on Dustin Brown?

I understand the desire to keep Gardiner but you guys are supposed to be 'in the now' and these are the kind of moves / decisions you make now if you're serious about making the playoffs / contending now.

"How to confuse a fanbase" by Brian Burke.

 

[bustaheims]

I'm a bit shocked Burke wasn't all over this <if he wasn't, if he was then I acquiesce> - guys like Carter don't become available too often and I don't think the asking price was too high. Maybe he's got his sights on Dustin Brown?

I understand the desire to keep Gardiner but you guys are supposed to be 'in the now' and these are the kind of moves / decisions you make now if you're serious about making the playoffs / contending now.

"How to confuse a fanbase" by Brian Burke.

Most reports have Burke being in on Carter, but, as we know from the deal he turned down in the summer, he doesn't value Carter as highly as others do. As for the Leafs being "in the now," that's not really true. Burke has said all along he wants to build a team that is capable of sustained success - and that means holding on to high calibre young players like Gardiner instead of going for a quick fix, shorter term solution.

 

[Mikhail Bloodnovsky]

I'm a bit shocked Burke wasn't all over this <if he wasn't, if he was then I acquiesce> - guys like Carter don't become available too often and I don't think the asking price was too high. Maybe he's got his sights on Dustin Brown?

I understand the desire to keep Gardiner but you guys are supposed to be 'in the now' and these are the kind of moves / decisions you make now if you're serious about making the playoffs / contending now.

"How to confuse a fanbase" by Brian Burke.

Most reports have Burke being in on Carter, but, as we know from the deal he turned down in the summer, he doesn't value Carter as highly as others do. As for the Leafs being "in the now," that's not really true. Burke has said all along he wants to build a team that is capable of sustained success - and that means holding on to high calibre young players like Gardiner instead of going for a quick fix, shorter term solution.

I trust his judgement completely. Komisarek, Connoly, Armstrong. Awesome value.

 

[Guilt Trip]

I'm a bit shocked Burke wasn't all over this <if he wasn't, if he was then I acquiesce> - guys like Carter don't become available too often and I don't think the asking price was too high. Maybe he's got his sights on Dustin Brown?

I understand the desire to keep Gardiner but you guys are supposed to be 'in the now' and these are the kind of moves / decisions you make now if you're serious about making the playoffs / contending now.

"How to confuse a fanbase" by Brian Burke.

Most reports have Burke being in on Carter, but, as we know from the deal he turned down in the summer, he doesn't value Carter as highly as others do. As for the Leafs being "in the now," that's not really true. Burke has said all along he wants to build a team that is capable of sustained success - and that means holding on to high calibre young players like Gardiner instead of going for a quick fix, shorter term solution.

Agree, the Leafs aren't ready to contend yet...The time will come when BB or whoever will give up futures for now....it isn't here yet.

 

[bustaheims]

I trust his judgement completely. Komisarek, Connoly, Armstrong. Awesome value.

Yup. Kessel, Lupul, Gardiner, Liles, Franson . . . terrible value. :

 

[Madferret]

I'm a bit shocked Burke wasn't all over this <if he wasn't, if he was then I acquiesce> - guys like Carter don't become available too often and I don't think the asking price was too high. Maybe he's got his sights on Dustin Brown?

I understand the desire to keep Gardiner but you guys are supposed to be 'in the now' and these are the kind of moves / decisions you make now if you're serious about making the playoffs / contending now.

"How to confuse a fanbase" by Brian Burke.

Most reports have Burke being in on Carter, but, as we know from the deal he turned down in the summer, he doesn't value Carter as highly as others do. As for the Leafs being "in the now," that's not really true. Burke has said all along he wants to build a team that is capable of sustained success - and that means holding on to high calibre young players like Gardiner instead of going for a quick fix, shorter term solution.

He's also been pretty vocal about making the playoffs this year. And it's not like Carter is old or past his peak or anything. That's an injection of 30+ goals a season over the next 3-4 seasons - it's not like the Leafs don't need another top 6 forward badly. Again I understand that Gardiner looks like a great prospect...if I'm a Leaf fan I'd take Carter over Gardiner. Your blueline is loaded with bodies / $ anyways and a top 6 guy like Carter just doesn't come around too often. Maybe he's got his sights set on Nash or now Brown?

 

[Guilt Trip]

I'm a bit shocked Burke wasn't all over this <if he wasn't, if he was then I acquiesce> - guys like Carter don't become available too often and I don't think the asking price was too high. Maybe he's got his sights on Dustin Brown?

I understand the desire to keep Gardiner but you guys are supposed to be 'in the now' and these are the kind of moves / decisions you make now if you're serious about making the playoffs / contending now.

"How to confuse a fanbase" by Brian Burke.

Most reports have Burke being in on Carter, but, as we know from the deal he turned down in the summer, he doesn't value Carter as highly as others do. As for the Leafs being "in the now," that's not really true. Burke has said all along he wants to build a team that is capable of sustained success - and that means holding on to high calibre young players like Gardiner instead of going for a quick fix, shorter term solution.

I trust his judgement completely. Komisarek, Connoly, Armstrong. Awesome value.

To be fair, Armstrong came in highly touted. Yes he got a little too much money, but Army getting injured hasn't helped at all. Komi was a very good D man for the Habs. He was a little overpaid as well, but that happens for ufa's. Connoly was nothing but a stop gap because we had no one to be the number 1 center. They didn't trust Bozak and neither did anyone else on here, minus a few.
There isn't a gm who hasn't made a bad signing...not one.

 

[maplesyrup]

Shall we pencil in Carter as Richard's RWer?

 

[bustaheims]

He's also been pretty vocal about making the playoffs this year. And it's not like Carter is old or past his peak or anything. That's an injection of 30+ goals a season over the next 3-4 seasons - it's not like the Leafs don't need another top 6 forward badly. Again I understand that Gardiner looks like a great prospect...if I'm a Leaf fan I'd take Carter over Gardiner. Your blueline is loaded with bodies / $ anyways and a top 6 guy like Carter just doesn't come around too often. Maybe he's got his sights set on Nash or now Brown?

Sure, but, when you have an excess of something, you don't start moving pieces from the top, and, Gardiner has been one of the team's best defencemen this season, especially over the past 6 weeks or so. Besides, offence is hardly the Leafs' biggest need. What they need in their top 6 is a big, physical forward, and Jeff Carter is only one of those things (and it's not physical). Carter isn't the right fit for the Leafs, and Burke valued him as such, and that, rightfully, included not being willing to move Gardiner for him.

 

[Madferret]

He's also been pretty vocal about making the playoffs this year. And it's not like Carter is old or past his peak or anything. That's an injection of 30+ goals a season over the next 3-4 seasons - it's not like the Leafs don't need another top 6 forward badly. Again I understand that Gardiner looks like a great prospect...if I'm a Leaf fan I'd take Carter over Gardiner. Your blueline is loaded with bodies / $ anyways and a top 6 guy like Carter just doesn't come around too often. Maybe he's got his sights set on Nash or now Brown?

Sure, but, when you have an excess of something, you don't start moving pieces from the top, and, Gardiner has been one of the team's best defencemen this season, especially over the past 6 weeks or so. Besides, offence is hardly the Leafs' biggest need. What they need in their top 6 is a big, physical forward, and Jeff Carter is only one of those things (and it's not physical). Carter isn't the right fit for the Leafs, and Burke valued him as such, and that, rightfully, included not being willing to move Gardiner for him.

Is there another available top 6 guy out there that you think he's got his sights on?

 

[Guilt Trip]

How do we know what value BB put on Carter? We don't, and we don't know what CBJ wanted from us for him, if the Leafs were even in on it.

 

[groundskeeper willie]

Is there another available top 6 guy out there that you think he's got his sights on?

Nash and Brown are the type of forward the Leafs need. A big guy like Carter or Ryan would obviously help, but they as aren't physical enough despite their size, and as such wouldn't fit as well as needed.

If Getzlaf ever did truly become available he would shoot straight to #1 on the list.

 

[bustaheims]

How do we know what value BB put on Carter? We don't, and we don't know what CBJ wanted from us for him, if the Leafs were even in on it.

Well, we know he turned down a potential Kulemin+Kadri for Carter deal in the summer, so, we can safely assume, he values Carter at less than that.

 

[bustaheims]

Nash and Brown are the type of forward the Leafs need. A big guy like Carter or Ryan would obviously help, but they as aren't physical enough despite their size, and as such wouldn't fit as well as needed.

If Getzlaf ever did truly become available he would shoot straight to #1 on the list.

I'm sorry, what? Ryan is just as, if not more physical than Nash.