Cherry vs. Burke: Round 2

[Kin]

To be fair, the argument is Ontario born, not Canadian born.

Well, yes and no. Cherry did also say the stupid thing about the Leafs being a team that cheers when Canada loses.

 

[Zee]

To be fair, the argument is Ontario born, not Canadian born.

Well, yes and no. Cherry did also say the stupid thing about the Leafs being a team that cheers when Canada loses.

Yeah, he took that fact that the current roster has nobody from Ontario and spun it into the Leafs organization is suddenly anti-Canadian.  This all began when Cherry criticized Wilson by saying he didn't support the Canadian armed forces while they were being honored before a game.  There's no way Burke wasn't going to respond to that, nor should he have kept quiet.

 

[cw]

To be fair, the argument is Ontario born, not Canadian born.

If the Leafs had Ottawa's roster and were losing, convince me that xenophobe wouldn't be whining about the lack of Canadians.

If the Leafs had too many from the QMJHL or not enough from the WHL, he'd whine about that too.

For me as a Canadian, Cherry expressing that sort of garbage on HNIC (with plenty of non Canadians watching) is embarrassing. There are too many top American or Euro hockey players in the league to be carrying on with that crap. I think Don needs to go. I've heard enough of that ignorant crap.

 

[Zee]

To be fair, the argument is Ontario born, not Canadian born.

If the Leafs had Ottawa's roster and were losing, convince me that xenophobe wouldn't be whining about the lack of Canadians.

If the Leafs had too many from the QMJHL or not enough from the WHL, he'd whine about that too.

For me as a Canadian, Cherry expressing that sort of garbage on HNIC (with plenty of non Canadians watching) is embarrassing. There are too many top American or Euro hockey players in the league to be carrying on with that crap. I think Don needs to go. I've heard enough of that ignorant crap.

I read an interesting take on how Cherry's rants on CBC might affect the CBC's chances in their negotiations for a television contract with the NHL.  There are so many other sports channel options now to carry games that there's no guarantee CBC gets the broadcast rights when they're up for renewal.  I'm sure Cherry's comments would make more than 1 NHL executive unhappy.

 

[Frank E]

To be fair, the argument is Ontario born, not Canadian born.

If the Leafs had Ottawa's roster and were losing, convince me that xenophobe wouldn't be whining about the lack of Canadians.

If the Leafs had too many from the QMJHL or not enough from the WHL, he'd whine about that too.

For me as a Canadian, Cherry expressing that sort of garbage on HNIC (with plenty of non Canadians watching) is embarrassing. There are too many top American or Euro hockey players in the league to be carrying on with that crap. I think Don needs to go. I've heard enough of that ignorant crap.

If they were winning at Ottawa's clip, I don't think you'd hear much either.

Cherry aside, is there anything wrong with wanting to cheer for local players?

 

[pnjunction]

Cherry would do well to stick to on-ice issues like player safety and player/team performances.  I find Cherry to have at least useful opinions on that stuff, agree or disagree.  The further he gets from that, whether it be his obsession with player backgrounds or using HNIC as an obituary/patriotic lovefest/political tool, the more I agree with his critics.

 

[Kin]

I read an interesting take on how Cherry's rants on CBC might affect the CBC's chances in their negotiations for a television contract with the NHL.  There are so many other sports channel options now to carry games that there's no guarantee CBC gets the broadcast rights when they're up for renewal.  I'm sure Cherry's comments would make more than 1 NHL executive unhappy.

I genuinely doubt that Cherry will have anything to do with it. The NHL rights are going to go to who pays the most for them and I don't think there's much else that factors into the equation.

 

[cw]

To be fair, the argument is Ontario born, not Canadian born.

If the Leafs had Ottawa's roster and were losing, convince me that xenophobe wouldn't be whining about the lack of Canadians.

If the Leafs had too many from the QMJHL or not enough from the WHL, he'd whine about that too.

For me as a Canadian, Cherry expressing that sort of garbage on HNIC (with plenty of non Canadians watching) is embarrassing. There are too many top American or Euro hockey players in the league to be carrying on with that crap. I think Don needs to go. I've heard enough of that ignorant crap.

I read an interesting take on how Cherry's rants on CBC might affect the CBC's chances in their negotiations for a television contract with the NHL.  There are so many other sports channel options now to carry games that there's no guarantee CBC gets the broadcast rights when they're up for renewal.  I'm sure Cherry's comments would make more than 1 NHL executive unhappy.

Being a proud Canadian, I always cheer for Canada, etc.

Being a hockey fan, I do sincerely admire players from other countries who can play the game. Mats Sundin & Borje Salming to name a couple of great Leafs. Statements like what Cherry makes strike me as so insulting to non Canadians and reflect badly on Canada.

The Summit Series in '72 was arguably the greatest Canadian victory and I was in the streets celebrating with everyone else. But a key part of what made it great was finding out how good the Russians really were. It would have been a forgettable series if Canada had swept them 8-0. By now, non Canadian hockey players should have earned our respect.

In Don Cherry's case, that will never really happen no matter what he says because deep down, he's a bigot. I'd be sorry for the CBC to lose HNIC. It's been there all my life. But if the CBC can't find someone to put a cork on that trash, they should give it to someone who can. I'm fed up.

 

[cw]

To be fair, the argument is Ontario born, not Canadian born.

If the Leafs had Ottawa's roster and were losing, convince me that xenophobe wouldn't be whining about the lack of Canadians.

If the Leafs had too many from the QMJHL or not enough from the WHL, he'd whine about that too.

For me as a Canadian, Cherry expressing that sort of garbage on HNIC (with plenty of non Canadians watching) is embarrassing. There are too many top American or Euro hockey players in the league to be carrying on with that crap. I think Don needs to go. I've heard enough of that ignorant crap.

If they were winning at Ottawa's clip, I don't think you'd hear much either.

Cherry aside, is there anything wrong with wanting to cheer for local players?

Absolutely not as long as it doesn't come at the expense of non local players. And I'm born & raised in Ontario.

Cherry's remarks imply non Ontario hockey players are not as good. If you objectively go through the Ontario hockey players on the Canadian teams, they're not that key to each team's success if we're truly honest about it.

 

[Zee]

I read an interesting take on how Cherry's rants on CBC might affect the CBC's chances in their negotiations for a television contract with the NHL.  There are so many other sports channel options now to carry games that there's no guarantee CBC gets the broadcast rights when they're up for renewal.  I'm sure Cherry's comments would make more than 1 NHL executive unhappy.

I genuinely doubt that Cherry will have anything to do with it. The NHL rights are going to go to who pays the most for them and I don't think there's much else that factors into the equation.

Sure but if other networks bid the same as the CBC, it comes down to a decision by the NHL on who to pick.  Unless the CBC severely outbids other networks (which I doubt), there's no guarantee they'd get the rights.  Cherry and his remarks wouldn't help their cause if it came down to a judgement call between 2 or 3 networks.

 

[Kin]

Sure but if other networks bid the same as the CBC, it comes down to a decision by the NHL on who to pick.  Unless the CBC severely outbids other networks (which I doubt), there's no guarantee they'd get the rights.  Cherry and his remarks wouldn't help their cause if it came down to a judgement call between 2 or 3 networks.

That's not really the way those things work though. If the package that the CBC has is up for bids the NHL will negotiate with networks until they have a clear winner. Trying to envision tie breaker scenarios for that is like worrying about what happens if a tossed coin lands on it's side. Someone will always pony up that little extra for a lucrative TV package. All the CBC has to do is be the high bidder. If they are, they have nothing to worry about. If they aren't, nothing would help.

 

[Frank E]

Absolutely not as long as it doesn't come at the expense of non local players. And I'm born & raised in Ontario.

Cherry's remarks imply non Ontario hockey players are not as good. If you objectively go through the Ontario hockey players on the Canadian teams, they're not that key to each team's success if we're truly honest about it.

Since I prefer cheering for local players, I guess that would come at the expense of non-local players since I have a limited amount of cheer.

I don't think there is anything wrong with that.

 

 

[Zee]

Absolutely not as long as it doesn't come at the expense of non local players. And I'm born & raised in Ontario.

Cherry's remarks imply non Ontario hockey players are not as good. If you objectively go through the Ontario hockey players on the Canadian teams, they're not that key to each team's success if we're truly honest about it.

Since I prefer cheering for local players, I guess that would come at the expense of non-local players since I have a limited amount of cheer.

I don't think there is anything wrong with that.

I cheer for Leafs, regardless of if they've local players or come from another dimension.  The only time the national part of me comes into play is of course international tournaments where I want Canada to win.

 

[cw]

Cherry's remarks imply non Ontario hockey players are not as good. If you objectively go through the Ontario hockey players on the Canadian teams, they're not that key to each team's success if we're truly honest about it.

Further to this, the following are top 6, top 4 players from Ontario playing on Canadian teams:
Jason Spezza
Mike Cammalleri
Mark Giordano
P.K. Subban
Kevin Bieksa

I didn't see any top goalies from Ontario playing for a Canadian team.

Nice players but only five out of six Canadian teams. It's not like Ontario players are having a dramatic effect on the fortunes of their respective clubs when there's less than one per team.

 

[cw]

Absolutely not as long as it doesn't come at the expense of non local players. And I'm born & raised in Ontario.

Cherry's remarks imply non Ontario hockey players are not as good. If you objectively go through the Ontario hockey players on the Canadian teams, they're not that key to each team's success if we're truly honest about it.

Since I prefer cheering for local players, I guess that would come at the expense of non-local players since I have a limited amount of cheer.

I don't think there is anything wrong with that.

I don't think there's anything wrong with that either. I don't see it as coming at the expense of non local players.

It's a preference on who to pull for but not a statement that "a local player is better than a non local player because he's a local player" - which is what Cherry implies.

 

[Kin]

Cherry's remarks imply non Ontario hockey players are not as good. If you objectively go through the Ontario hockey players on the Canadian teams, they're not that key to each team's success if we're truly honest about it.

Further to this, the following are top 6, top 4 players from Ontario playing on Canadian teams:
Jason Spezza
Mike Cammalleri
Mark Giordano
P.K. Subban
Kevin Bieksa

I didn't see any top goalies from Ontario playing for a Canadian team.

Nice players but only five out of six Canadian teams. It's not like Ontario players are having a dramatic effect on the fortunes of their respective clubs when there's less than one per team.

I think you're kind of veering into refuting points that nobody is making. I don't know if there's a reasonable way to read what Cherry said as "Ontario born players provide significant and noticeable benefit to Canadian teams especially". The teams he mentioned specifically are Vancouver, Pittsburgh, St. Louis and Boston and Chicago's cup winners.

Personally, all I've said is that there may be some specific benefits to having Ontario born players for the Leafs.

 

[applecheeks]

To be fair, the argument is Ontario born, not Canadian born.

If the Leafs had Ottawa's roster and were losing, convince me that xenophobe wouldn't be whining about the lack of Canadians.

If the Leafs had too many from the QMJHL or not enough from the WHL, he'd whine about that too.

For me as a Canadian, Cherry expressing that sort of garbage on HNIC (with plenty of non Canadians watching) is embarrassing. There are too many top American or Euro hockey players in the league to be carrying on with that crap. I think Don needs to go. I've heard enough of that ignorant crap.

I read an interesting take on how Cherry's rants on CBC might affect the CBC's chances in their negotiations for a television contract with the NHL.  There are so many other sports channel options now to carry games that there's no guarantee CBC gets the broadcast rights when they're up for renewal.  I'm sure Cherry's comments would make more than 1 NHL executive unhappy.

Being a proud Canadian, I always cheer for Canada, etc.

Being a hockey fan, I do sincerely admire players from other countries who can play the game. Mats Sundin & Borje Salming to name a couple of great Leafs. Statements like what Cherry makes strike me as so insulting to non Canadians and reflect badly on Canada.

The Summit Series in '72 was arguably the greatest Canadian victory and I was in the streets celebrating with everyone else. But a key part of what made it great was finding out how good the Russians really were. It would have been a forgettable series if Canada had swept them 8-0. By now, non Canadian hockey players should have earned our respect.

In Don Cherry's case, that will never really happen no matter what he says because deep down, he's a bigot. I'd be sorry for the CBC to lose HNIC. It's been there all my life. But if the CBC can't find someone to put a cork on that trash, they should give it to someone who can. I'm fed up.

I know that HNIC is there majority money maker, but why havn?t they put a cork in that blow hard? I also wonder if in fact they want coaches corner to fail. some say he wants to go out on some kind of ?badge? and run with that in his retirement. I?m done with Mr. Cherry and before the NHL make up their mind to cancel or not...resign CBC in 2014.

I?m with you CW, enough is enough.

 

[Frank E]

Absolutely not as long as it doesn't come at the expense of non local players. And I'm born & raised in Ontario.

Cherry's remarks imply non Ontario hockey players are not as good. If you objectively go through the Ontario hockey players on the Canadian teams, they're not that key to each team's success if we're truly honest about it.

Since I prefer cheering for local players, I guess that would come at the expense of non-local players since I have a limited amount of cheer.

I don't think there is anything wrong with that.

I cheer for Leafs, regardless of if they've local players or come from another dimension.  The only time the national part of me comes into play is of course international tournaments where I want Canada to win.

Dig further.  I'm talking about players, not teams.

I think it's a given that we're Leaf fans.

 

[Kin]

I know that HNIC is there majority money maker, but why havn?t they put a cork in that blow hard?

The argument you always hear is that Cherry himself is so popular that he's part of the reason why HNIC is a big money maker. I don't know if that's true or not but the reason CBC would get rid of Cherry is if people stopped watching.

 

[crazyperfectdevil]

perhaps if cherry was someone we'd never heard from before ..i might strike this up simply making the case that an ontario born player might try a bit harder for an ontario based team ...but considering his long track record on the subject..this is just more of his xenophobia