Contracts for the Big-3

[CarltonTheBear]

I was wondering is Dean Blundell`s sources legit they were saying deal to be announced soon?

No. He's a failed shock jock whose website now runs stories like "Video: Drunk Guys Enters Bull Ring, Gets Absolutely Destroyed", "Take A Look Tuesday With Smokeshow Summer Lynn Hart", and "I Had To Buy Condoms Because I Have A Rash And Surprise, Buying Condoms Is Still Weird" (these were all just from the past 3 days btw). He knows absolutely nothing about the inside of a NHL front office and is just trying to make bold claims like a deal is going to be announced soon or not soon and it'll either be long-term or short-term because others have said a deal might be getting closer and he's trying to cover all his bases.

 

[herman]

He did say on his podcast that Nylander's deal would be announced after Wednesday's game.

Technically, when Nylander signs *checks notes, Farmer's Almanac, and sundial*, Blundell's 'source' would be correct.

 

[Zee]

I'm beginning to think Nylander won't be in the lineup tomorrow night.

 

[Zee]

I was wondering is Dean Blundell`s sources legit they were saying deal to be announced soon?

No. He's a failed shock jock whose website now runs stories like "Video: Drunk Guys Enters Bull Ring, Gets Absolutely Destroyed", "Take A Look Tuesday With Smokeshow Summer Lynn Hart", and "I Had To Buy Condoms Because I Have A Rash And Surprise, Buying Condoms Is Still Weird" (these were all just from the past 3 days btw). He knows absolutely nothing about the inside of a NHL front office and is just trying to make bold claims like a deal is going to be announced soon or not soon and it'll either be long-term or short-term because others have said a deal might be getting closer and he's trying to cover all his bases.

I don't know if you can call him a "failed shock jock".  He did have a highly successful show on 102.1 for about a decade I think and from all accounts was paid quite well.  He was let go because of some controversial statements he made on-air, I forget the exact details.  He was a failed sports radio show host though, he basically knew very little about any sport but the FAN figured his name would attract listeners.  They were wrong. 

 

[sickbeast]

I was wondering is Dean Blundell`s sources legit they were saying deal to be announced soon?

No. He's a failed shock jock whose website now runs stories like "Video: Drunk Guys Enters Bull Ring, Gets Absolutely Destroyed", "Take A Look Tuesday With Smokeshow Summer Lynn Hart", and "I Had To Buy Condoms Because I Have A Rash And Surprise, Buying Condoms Is Still Weird" (these were all just from the past 3 days btw). He knows absolutely nothing about the inside of a NHL front office and is just trying to make bold claims like a deal is going to be announced soon or not soon and it'll either be long-term or short-term because others have said a deal might be getting closer and he's trying to cover all his bases.

I don't know if you can call him a "failed shock jock".  He did have a highly successful show on 102.1 for about a decade I think and from all accounts was paid quite well.  He was let go because of some controversial statements he made on-air, I forget the exact details.  He was a failed sports radio show host though, he basically knew very little about any sport but the FAN figured his name would attract listeners.  They were wrong.

Honestly after the whole thing with Jackie Redmond and now this with Nylander, I will never listen to another thing he says.  He has failed.  He has lost all credibility and he has shown himself to be a horrible person also.  How could he spread a rumor like that about Donaldson and Estrada?  And how could they not sue him into the ground over it?  I'm surprised the guy is still able to hold down a job and make a living.  We don't need people like this in the Toronto media.  If you look at the toxic media situation in places like Boston, it can really impact the players and they won't want to play here if we have a bunch of trolls like this working in the media.  Steve Simmons is another one.

 

[Zee]

This Halloween costume had me laughing

https://twitter.com/rhysnrydersdad/status/1056319282580152320?s=19

 

[Zee]

Welp, given that November 1st is this Thursday, should the Leafs just wait until December 1st to maximize that cap savings crap?  Would Nylander take a 6 year, $7M/year deal?  If so, the cap hit for years 2-6 is $6.63 if he signs Dec 1st.  Nylander gets his money, and the Leafs get a cap hit < 7M/year

 

[Guilt Trip]

There's no way they're waiting just to save money. Interesting tidbit I believe I heard Gord Miller say today. Nylander scored 3 goals when Matthews was out (20 games) last year.

 

[Zee]

There's no way they're waiting just to save money. Interesting tidbit I believe I heard Gord Miller say today. Nylander scored 3 goals when Matthews was out (20 games) last year.

I'm not suggesting they have been doing that, but considering there's only 1 month left (and 15 games left before Dec 1), they really should just wait it out a bit more to maximize a cap savings and still get Nylander closer to the amount he's looking for.

 

[Kaberle15]

There's no way they're waiting just to save money. Interesting tidbit I believe I heard Gord Miller say today. Nylander scored 3 goals when Matthews was out (20 games) last year.

I'm not suggesting they have been doing that, but considering there's only 1 month left (and 15 games left before Dec 1), they really should just wait it out a bit more to maximize a cap savings and still get Nylander closer to the amount he's looking for.

That would save the money in this season, this season the Leafs do have tons of Cap space. They will be caped out next season with the 20+ signs of Matthews and Marner, not even adding Gardiner to this math.

So, I don't see the point on it.

 

[Coco-puffs]

That would save the money in this season, this season the Leafs do have tons of Cap space. They will be caped out next season with the 20+ signs of Matthews and Marner, not even adding Gardiner to this math.

So, I don't see the point on it.

Please see herman's post from earlier in the thread.  The longer they wait to sign Nylander, the lower the cap hit in future seasons (based on him signing the same contract today vs November 30th).  So yes, there is a point on it.

What about all that stuff re: the cap hit being lessened next year due to delayed signing?

Not sure what your question is, so I'm just going to info dump

https://twitter.com/CapFriendly/status/1051819434464202753
https://twitter.com/CapFriendly/status/1045315053539545088

 

[cabber24]

I think the amount is so small it's irrelevant. To wait a month to save $200K of cap hit per season which works out to just 0.25% of an $80M cap is probably not a consideration when making this decision.

 

[Coco-puffs]

I think the amount is so small it's irrelevant. To wait a month to save $200K of cap hit per season which works out to just 0.25% of an $80M cap is probably not a consideration when making this decision.

I tend to agree with you.  In fact, the longer the term on the deal, the lower the impact of signing later in the season.  However, if he signs a 2 yr bridge deal, the impact can be even more significant.  Lets say its 2 yrs at 5M each year:

Nov 1st:  4.6M in yr 2, 5.46M in yr 1
Dec 1st:  4.2M in yr 2, 6.16M in yr 1

If I'm the Leafs, I'm not caving right now to sign him right away now that his agent believes he's gained leverage with Matthews out.  I take him right to the tipping point and if he won't sign the long term deal they want, this is an option that helps them next year.  I don't present this 2yr bridge as an option at this time though, because there is benefits to waiting to play that hand.

 

[Zee]

I think the amount is so small it's irrelevant. To wait a month to save $200K of cap hit per season which works out to just 0.25% of an $80M cap is probably not a consideration when making this decision.

It's closer to $400K per season if the deal is 6 years x $7M.  Sure on it's own it's not that significant but it adds up. If they overpay 5 guys to the tune of 3 or 400k each then it's adding up.  Each contract matters

 

[Phileas Fogg]

At the risk of looking past Nylander, I'm thinking Marner might actually be the one they're going to have to end up re-budgeting for. If he keeps being the difference maker in games as he has, he'll end up closer to Matthews in value than Nylander. And I'll have no problem with it.

 

[princedpw]

There's no way they're waiting just to save money.

It would be truly idiotic to delay signing him for such a reason.  The overall stakes are very high. The differences in cap hit completely insignificant. 

 

[Guilt Trip]

If I'm the Leafs, I'm not caving right now to sign him right away now that his agent believes he's gained leverage with Matthews out. 

If his agent believes he's gained an advantage because of Matthews being out, Nylander needs to get a new agent. Every hockey expert says this will have zero effect on Nylander's contract. I tend to agree. Nylander doesn't all of a sudden become an 8 million dollar player.

 

[cabber24]

I think the amount is so small it's irrelevant. To wait a month to save $200K of cap hit per season which works out to just 0.25% of an $80M cap is probably not a consideration when making this decision.

It's closer to $400K per season if the deal is 6 years x $7M.  Sure on it's own it's not that significant but it adds up. If they overpay 5 guys to the tune of 3 or 400k each then it's adding up.  Each contract matters

We?re already at Nov 1, waiting another month will only save an additional 200k on a 6 year 7Mish deal.

 

[Zee]

I think the amount is so small it's irrelevant. To wait a month to save $200K of cap hit per season which works out to just 0.25% of an $80M cap is probably not a consideration when making this decision.

It's closer to $400K per season if the deal is 6 years x $7M.  Sure on it's own it's not that significant but it adds up. If they overpay 5 guys to the tune of 3 or 400k each then it's adding up.  Each contract matters

We?re already at Nov 1, waiting another month will only save an additional 200k on a 6 year 7Mish deal.

So what's the harm of waiting? It's only 15 more games and the Leafs are 8-3

 

[sickbeast]

I think the amount is so small it's irrelevant. To wait a month to save $200K of cap hit per season which works out to just 0.25% of an $80M cap is probably not a consideration when making this decision.

It's closer to $400K per season if the deal is 6 years x $7M.  Sure on it's own it's not that significant but it adds up. If they overpay 5 guys to the tune of 3 or 400k each then it's adding up.  Each contract matters

We?re already at Nov 1, waiting another month will only save an additional 200k on a 6 year 7Mish deal.

So what's the harm of waiting? It's only 15 more games and the Leafs are 8-3

It becomes pretty high stakes at that point in time, don't you think?  They run the risk of Nylander sitting out for the season.  I guess they could try to call his bluff.  But there is a risk.  Nylander seems stubborn enough that he might do it and sit out.