Guilt Trip
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No problem in Toronto and now Windsor. Ottawa is run much like their hockey team....by an incompetent fool.Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
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bustaheims
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I think the issue we're seeing is that the Feds don't have a ton of power here. Other than sending in the armed forces (which could easily be seen as an over-reaction, and what a certain segment of the 'protesters' want), there's not much they can do (I suppose they could clear Parliament Hill, but the majority of the problems aren't happening on the hill, but outside its boundaries). It's really on the local cops to clear the streets, and, well, they're understaffed and don't seem to be particularly motivated. They're also trying to minimize the potential for violent encounters.
As for the provinces, once they've gotten involved, the blockades and such have largely started to clear. Opening up the supply lanes was definitely the priority. As for the rest, as much as the protests have been annoying and stupid, they're mostly legal. Nothing the government can do there without facing major backlash. It's a bit of a lose-lose situation for them there.
As for the provinces, once they've gotten involved, the blockades and such have largely started to clear. Opening up the supply lanes was definitely the priority. As for the rest, as much as the protests have been annoying and stupid, they're mostly legal. Nothing the government can do there without facing major backlash. It's a bit of a lose-lose situation for them there.
Bender said:
Once they didn't put a stronger show of force out right when the first weekend ended and the vast majority of the protesters left (leaving only the full-on crazies) they completely lost control.
https://twitter.com/MackLamoureux/status/1493288194896318465
Heroic Shrimp
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https://twitter.com/pdmcleod/status/1493364327377772545
Honestly fun and heartening thread to read.
Honestly fun and heartening thread to read.
Arn
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Bender said:
Health is a devolved matter, so it is the responsibility of the Northern Ireland Assembly (similarly, Wales and Scotland's assemblies are also responsible for health matters within their own countries. England is governed by Westminster).
So we have seen quite different restrictions in place at different times across the 4 regions. In NI we've also had quite different restrictions to the Republic of Ireland at times which has also brought the odd challenge.
(We do have a small issue that our Northern Irish assembly has collapsed, again, for stupid sectarian issues, but thankfully our health minister has been able to make changes to legislation after discussions with the attorney general and justice minister, otherwise our restrictions would have remained in place until at least May when an election is due.)
herman
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Joe S. said:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/police-union-sloly-op-ed-1.5718255
Fun tidbit: Sloly was appointed to try to fix some of the systemic issues (i.e. racism, corruption) the OPS had with their rank and file, and well, that did not really go well at all. Smells like the OPS effort to curtail the 'protest' was hamstrung from the beginning by insubordination.
https://twitter.com/judyatrinh/status/1493627606805139456
Holy forkin' shirtballs
herman
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Heroic Shrimp said:
Reminds me of the time the BTS Army and TikTok brigade trolled a MAGA rally by artificially inflating the interest and got them to set up a poopton of empty seats to put on camera. There's even some anecdotal evidence (reddit) that BTS is converting brainwashed people away from QAnon.
OldTimeHockey
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Kin
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herman said:
I tend to be on board with the people who say that either he failed by accepting this level of incompetence or insubordination or he failed by failing to reform OPS of it so his resignation was needed either way but it's becoming more and more apparent that we need massive, structural police reform in this country.
It's not like we didn't have endless warnings about this. The inability for people to see what "defund the police" really meant outside of a politically unpopular slogan was really unfortunate because it's very, very clear that the police system we have right now seems incredibly poorly trained to handle a large variety of situations that they're needed for and that there's a larger, uglier issue that speaks to why they acted the way they did in Ottawa. Either way the era of massive city budgets going to unaccountable, untouchable police forces has to end.
herman
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Nik said:
https://twitter.com/judyatrinh/status/1484052826993180674
this was from well before anything went down with the convoy and obviously precedes Sloly's tenure. Y'all should see the stats on domestic violence perpetrated by police in their personal lives (really the perfect trifecta of empowered position, toxic culture, and access to weapons).
L K
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I don't think our policing problems are as bad as they are in the US but it is absolutely delusional to look at what has gone on in the last few years and not see that there are very real problems.
Reform needs to come and to be perfectly honest I don't think it really matters what the slogan is. "Defund the police" would have been treated the same way if it was "Re-educate the police" or "Bolster the police". The reality is that people who don't want system bigotry, excessive violence and profiling to be curbed because it affects the less desirables would have taken offence to whatever the slogan became.
You wouldn't fix the problem altogether but make police fund their own insurance. Watch how quickly people take issue with the problem officers when their antics start to affect your insurance premiums.
Reform needs to come and to be perfectly honest I don't think it really matters what the slogan is. "Defund the police" would have been treated the same way if it was "Re-educate the police" or "Bolster the police". The reality is that people who don't want system bigotry, excessive violence and profiling to be curbed because it affects the less desirables would have taken offence to whatever the slogan became.
You wouldn't fix the problem altogether but make police fund their own insurance. Watch how quickly people take issue with the problem officers when their antics start to affect your insurance premiums.
bustaheims
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The sloganeering hasn?t helped any of these causes, unfortunately. Too many people happy not to dig deeper, while too many others are happy to have a catchy way of expressing their positions.