Coronavirus

[Frank E]

Hang in there, kids...let's see if this curve crests this week.

 

[hockeyfan1]

Is Bulk Barn open? The bulk section (candy and nuts mostly) in my grocery store has been shut down.

https://www.bulkbarn.ca/home-en/

They're open (with reduced hours, looks like 10am-6pm) but have workers doing all the scooping for you, something grocery stores probably can't handle. Although I was at a Fortinos yesterday and the bulk section was still open there.

Be careful when taking bulk items.  It?s been ages that I no longer shop at a Bulk Barn Store.  My late brother and I used to do so ages ago but we eventually stopped after I felt unwell after having eaten some of these bulk foods. 
You never know if they?re really hygienic with so many people scooping out and opening the containers.  Unless certain foods ?chocolates, for example ?and only some come pre-wrapped, I would avoid anything else.

This precaution would also apply to any other grocery store that sells bulk foods (Fortinos, etc).  Judging from what I?ve seen, nothing much has changed in the way bulk foods are stored.

It?s up to you the individual (and if you absolutely need to), otherwise would I prefer to avoid.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Is Bulk Barn open? The bulk section (candy and nuts mostly) in my grocery store has been shut down.

https://www.bulkbarn.ca/home-en/

They're open (with reduced hours, looks like 10am-6pm) but have workers doing all the scooping for you, something grocery stores probably can't handle. Although I was at a Fortinos yesterday and the bulk section was still open there.

Be careful when taking bulk items.  It?s been ages that I no longer shop at a Bulk Barn Store.  My late brother and I used to do so ages ago but we eventually stopped after I felt unwell after having eaten some of these bulk foods. 
You never know if they?re really hygienic with so many people scooping out and opening the containers.  Unless certain foods ?chocolates, for example ?and only some come pre-wrapped, I would avoid anything else.

This precaution would also apply to any other grocery store that sells bulk foods (Fortinos, etc).  Judging from what I?ve seen, nothing much has changed in the way bulk foods are stored.

It?s up to you the individual (and if you absolutely need to), otherwise would I prefer to avoid.

Although the Bulk Barn isn't somewhere I'd visit in the current climate, it is still a business I've frequented in the past and will continue to in the future.

Having worked in the food industry for 15 years, it really drives me crazy when people blame "not feeling well" on a business. Unless you can pinpoint the salmonella you got from eating something that was contaminated, don't drag a business through the mud because you got a belly ache.

 

[hockeyfan1]

Is Bulk Barn open? The bulk section (candy and nuts mostly) in my grocery store has been shut down.

https://www.bulkbarn.ca/home-en/

They're open (with reduced hours, looks like 10am-6pm) but have workers doing all the scooping for you, something grocery stores probably can't handle. Although I was at a Fortinos yesterday and the bulk section was still open there.

Be careful when taking bulk items.  It?s been ages that I no longer shop at a Bulk Barn Store.  My late brother and I used to do so ages ago but we eventually stopped after I felt unwell after having eaten some of these bulk foods. 
You never know if they?re really hygienic with so many people scooping out and opening the containers.  Unless certain foods ?chocolates, for example ?and only some come pre-wrapped, I would avoid anything else.

This precaution would also apply to any other grocery store that sells bulk foods (Fortinos, etc).  Judging from what I?ve seen, nothing much has changed in the way bulk foods are stored.

It?s up to you the individual (and if you absolutely need to), otherwise would I prefer to avoid.

Although the Bulk Barn isn't somewhere I'd visit in the current climate, it is still a business I've frequented in the past and will continue to in the future.

Having worked in the food industry for 15 years, it really drives me crazy when people blame "not feeling well" on a business. Unless you can pinpoint the salmonella you got from eating something that was contaminated, don't drag a business through the mud because you got a belly ache.

I caught a bad sore throat (several times at the time) after eating some of the food.  Coincidence or not?  I just preferred to avoid.  Not blaming anyone.

In those days, hand sanitizers were not in vogue, and I used to see people sticking their hands in the containers. 
Look at how careful we need to be today.  Now, even the exposed bread one buys at an Italian stop is wrapped in plastic, ready to go, buns included.

There was a time when people would touch bread with their hands despite the sign in front of them advising them not to do so.  Eventually people started using the provided utensil, as it is done today (pre-COVID-19).

Look, I?m not heaping anything on any business or person.  Since I?ve always needed to be a little extra cautious, I shied away from buying bulk.

You do what you do.  I do what I do.  Capito?

 

[Bender]

Is Bulk Barn open? The bulk section (candy and nuts mostly) in my grocery store has been shut down.

https://www.bulkbarn.ca/home-en/

They're open (with reduced hours, looks like 10am-6pm) but have workers doing all the scooping for you, something grocery stores probably can't handle. Although I was at a Fortinos yesterday and the bulk section was still open there.

Be careful when taking bulk items.  It?s been ages that I no longer shop at a Bulk Barn Store.  My late brother and I used to do so ages ago but we eventually stopped after I felt unwell after having eaten some of these bulk foods. 
You never know if they?re really hygienic with so many people scooping out and opening the containers.  Unless certain foods ?chocolates, for example ?and only some come pre-wrapped, I would avoid anything else.

This precaution would also apply to any other grocery store that sells bulk foods (Fortinos, etc).  Judging from what I?ve seen, nothing much has changed in the way bulk foods are stored.

It?s up to you the individual (and if you absolutely need to), otherwise would I prefer to avoid.

Well, it would be good if you asked someone who actually, you know, worked there.

Generally I would say the main problem lies with everyone using the same scooper, but as long as everyone does their part there should be no problem since the handle shouldn't be touching actual product, the difference now is we live in this hyper vigilant state with a new virus. But grabbing a buggy/grocery handles touching whatever in a grocery store then handling produce or anything not pre-packaged is easily just as bad.

Regarding the actual product, we rotated old bags in and out every time we received new stock, stock never touched the ground and never touched my hands, always directly into a new plastic cover directly from the box so I am literally not physically handling any actual goods. The issue is people reaching in and touching/eating goods - yes this is a problem but it's a problem with anything that isn't pre-packaged. Now there's only one person handling goods in the store vs. everyone at the grocery. Also I have never heard "I got sick and it's because of that bulk food store" except honestly from you.

Further to my point, which I think was missed, was suggesting this literally for the purpose of buying flour and other baking ingredients. Flour and other baking goods are in short supply. Bulk Barn I think would be a good option for people who want these goods. Why? Because when they buy flour it comes in 100lb bags (i would also call and ask if it's available at the store - way easier to get someone there than at No Frills/Loblaws) and now nobody is allowed in the store except two or three staff, one who will literally bag your order while you wait outside, away from other people. How is going to a grocery store, wandering around, finding no flour and coming into contact with people who half the time are socially distancing and half the time not, with even more staff, superior to this?

 

[Stebro]

I don't know how the media reporting is looking over there, but I'm starting to get annoyed with media here, it's like they're all looking for the youngest people who have died. The headlines here everyday is pretty much related to that, and people are getting very worried about that. I think that the media should at least make it clear how unusual it is that young people die in this disease. It may not serve public health to do what they do now. Yes, it's important to be careful and have respect for this virus and follow recommendations and rules, but I also think we need some perspective.

 

[bustaheims]

https://twitter.com/drpeckpnp/status/1244062665535864832

 

[OldTimeHockey]

https://twitter.com/drpeckpnp/status/1244062665535864832

F That!

Find me a bubble to live in.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

https://twitter.com/CBCAlerts/status/1245356499645468672

Bye spring.

 

[TML fan]

Having a press conference, sitting 3 ft apart from eachother, telling us to stay home and social distance.

These are our leaders... :

 

[Guilt Trip]

Having a press conference, sitting 3 ft apart from eachother, telling us to stay home and social distance.

These are our leaders... :

Seriously? Your sense of distance bodes well for keeping your distance if you think this is 3 feet.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1245390966887940097

 

[TML fan]

You know what's definitely not 3ft? Video Conference.

 

[hockeyfan1]

Doing a good deed: former Maple Leaf Thomas Kaberle & his wife Julia?s Italian restaurant Quanto Basta...(yes, she?s Italian)

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/former-nhler-tomas-kaberle-delivers-food-from-wife-s-restaurant-during-outbreak-1.4875306

 

[Bender]

I don't know how the media reporting is looking over there, but I'm starting to get annoyed with media here, it's like they're all looking for the youngest people who have died. The headlines here everyday is pretty much related to that, and people are getting very worried about that. I think that the media should at least make it clear how unusual it is that young people die in this disease. It may not serve public health to do what they do now. Yes, it's important to be careful and have respect for this virus and follow recommendations and rules, but I also think we need some perspective.

I would rather shock people into compliance like they do when you watch drunk driving videos than giving a false sense of security by reporting only or more strongly the deaths of the old. The young dying, but also importantly, getting sick, are all vectors for this thing to spread because to them it's not a big deal. Just look at the idiot spring breakers in Florida.

 

[Bender]

Having a press conference, sitting 3 ft apart from eachother, telling us to stay home and social distance.

These are our leaders... :

Seriously? Your sense of distance bodes well for keeping your distance if you think this is 3 feet.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1245390966887940097

There's no good reason not to teleconference honestly.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

I don't know how the media reporting is looking over there, but I'm starting to get annoyed with media here, it's like they're all looking for the youngest people who have died. The headlines here everyday is pretty much related to that, and people are getting very worried about that. I think that the media should at least make it clear how unusual it is that young people die in this disease. It may not serve public health to do what they do now. Yes, it's important to be careful and have respect for this virus and follow recommendations and rules, but I also think we need some perspective.

I would rather shock people into compliance like they do when you watch drunk driving videos than giving a false sense of security by reporting only or more strongly the deaths of the old. The young dying, but also importantly, getting sick, are all vectors for this thing to spread because to them it's not a big deal. Just look at the idiot spring breakers in Florida.

If anything, it will scare some of the parents that are allowing their kids to act like idiots. Let's be honest, no teenager/20-25 year old is watching/reading the news.

That being said, I don't necessarily feel that fear mongering is the best method in general. It creates a panic and a depression that feels like it can't be defeated. I have no issue with the doom and gloom "worst case scenario" reporting. But I also think it's important for achievements and progress to be reported. It's why I feel it was important for Canada to start reporting their recoveries more accurately. Not because recovery is guaranteed...just for people to feel like we can beat this.

 

[WAYNEINIONA]

I don't know how the media reporting is looking over there, but I'm starting to get annoyed with media here, it's like they're all looking for the youngest people who have died. The headlines here everyday is pretty much related to that, and people are getting very worried about that. I think that the media should at least make it clear how unusual it is that young people die in this disease. It may not serve public health to do what they do now. Yes, it's important to be careful and have respect for this virus and follow recommendations and rules, but I also think we need some perspective.

The London Police were called to a city owned golf course after complaints of people being on the closed course. When they arrived they found that someone had cut the fence. There were thirty young men playing golf. They were given a warning and sent on their way.No charges were laid. I guess the scare tactics aren't working.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

I don't know how the media reporting is looking over there, but I'm starting to get annoyed with media here, it's like they're all looking for the youngest people who have died. The headlines here everyday is pretty much related to that, and people are getting very worried about that. I think that the media should at least make it clear how unusual it is that young people die in this disease. It may not serve public health to do what they do now. Yes, it's important to be careful and have respect for this virus and follow recommendations and rules, but I also think we need some perspective.

The London Police were called to a city owned golf course after complaints of people being on the closed course. When they arrived they found that someone had cut the fence. There were thirty young men playing golf. They were given a warning and sent on their way.No charges were laid. I guess the scare tactics aren't working.

I suppose we could go the way of the Philippines:
https://ca.yahoo.com/news/shoot-them-dead-philippine-leader-033722607.html

"My orders to the police and military ... if there is trouble and there's an occasion that they fight back and your lives are in danger, shoot them dead."

 

[WAYNEINIONA]

Well that might work.

 

[hockeyfan1]

Young people not immune to COVID-19 if they vape and smoke:

If you are young and think you are immune to COVID-19, some doctors would like you to pay attention to the following message:

"While COVID-19 is less likely to cause serious symptoms in younger people, in combination with substance use like vaping or smoking cigarettes or cannabis, it could pose a serious health threat," says a March 24 commentary written by Dr. Nicholas Chadi and Dr. Richard B?langer of the Canadian Pediatric Society. 

They are among the public health experts sounding the alarm about the possible connections between lung damage caused by smoking or vaping and increased vulnerability to the novel coronavirus.

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"It's part of this idea that young people have that they're bulletproof, that these things are for older people. Well, this is about changing that attitude, and doing it very quickly," he said.

There is evidence that smoking not only leads to respiratory diseases and chronic lung conditions, but also suppresses and harms the immune system, "so that when people do get sick, they have a harder time fighting it," Hammond said.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/covid-19-smoking-vaping-risks-young-people-1.5512265