Coronavirus

[Arn]

I'm really enjoying the work of the UK government right now and how they're living up to every stereotype. They've restricted gatherings to 6 or fewer but made an exception for Grouse hunting. Now it comes out that their mandate requiring passengers in a car to wear a mask doesn't apply to chauffeur driven vehicles.

https://twitter.com/jayrayner1/status/1308778234172108800

I think they're trying to out f***wit the US government on this whole thing.

Some of the regulations are hilarious. I can go to the gym with 12 people in the hour long "class" and an instructor. But I can't go have coffee with the same 12 other people at the cafe which is part of the same building/gym cos "rule of six".

 

[Peter D.]

Some of the regulations are hilarious. I can go to the gym with 12 people in the hour long "class" and an instructor. But I can't go have coffee with the same 12 other people at the cafe which is part of the same building/gym cos "rule of six".

Folks, please don't have Thanksgiving dinner with your extended family in the confines of your own home.  But feel free to head on over to a local restaurant and dine with numerous other people you don't know. 

Some of these protocols being suggested and "enforced" are silly.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I dunno about you guys but I'm pretty psyched to use this to get out of extended family gatherings during the holidays.

You mean I don't have to talk to my aunt who posted something about how the government did 9/11 on facebook last week? Sweet.

 

[Peter D.]

My family is very tight knit.  This sucks.

Some, like my brother, are on one end of the spectrum who are so anal about everything pertaining to the virus.  Others are on the complete opposite end that don't give a crap.  It's quite interesting to be honest.

 

[Bender]

Good podcast featuring Infectious Disease Epidemiologist Ash Tuite. They discuss the current trend of young people driving the rise in COVID at the moment.

https://www.cbc.ca/listen/cbc-podcasts/410-the-dose

 

[Guilt Trip]

I dunno about you guys but I'm pretty psyched to use this to get out of extended family gatherings during the holidays.

You mean I don't have to talk to my aunt who posted something about how the government did 9/11 on facebook last week? Sweet.

I love it too!

 

[Bender]

Try telling that to the guy running the night club.

Ok? I'd be fine to tell that guy the same thing.

And I'd probably agree.

My point is, he wouldn't. He's an entrepreneur. He's running a business that in his eyes probably isn't much different than Flannigan's Irish Pub.

The strip club owner or the night club owner? You've kind of lost me here.

Regardless though, he might think that. And if you could sell him on enforcing a social distancing plan and figuring out a way to collect customer information for tracing purposes in the event of an outbreak he might have a case that it's no different than a pub in how it relates to enforcing safety protocols. Admittedly, I don't know much about strip club economics but it feels like social distancing plus having to give your name at the door would result in such a natural fall off in business that saying they can't open would be probably preferable provided there was some level of government compensation.

But beyond that you've lost me a bit with your larger point. Is it that businesses that rely on a lot of people packing into places don't want to close? Because I think we all get that. Nobody likes what's happening. None of these safety precautions are being taken because governments are looking for fun new ways to clamp down on people's leisure time and whining about them doesn't change the necessity of them. Making exemptions for food service is reasonable and if people don't like that they're in the exact same position as a lot of people who disagree with laws.

I said right from the start that I don't think they're(strip clubs) a necessity. I also don't think they should be open. I only spoke from the point of view of the bar owner. That is all. Yes, you are correct that many business owners feel the same way.

My real point of contention was the comment about the government implementing classroom sizes of 15. It wasn't possible. How it went the way of strip clubs is beyond me.

Because you have a limited set of priorities. If you are trying to open schools and keep kids in schools then that is at odds with having bars, strip clubs and restos open. Denmark's schools are essentially opened normally because they didn't prioritize opening up things that help spread the virus.

 

[Bender]

My family is very tight knit.  This sucks.

Some, like my brother, are on one end of the spectrum who are so anal about everything pertaining to the virus.  Others are on the complete opposite end that don't give a crap.  It's quite interesting to be honest.

Yeah I mean in general I do like spending the holidays with the fam. On the other hand I'm perfectly fine hibernating this winter. I've had times where holiday get togethers were cancelled due to major illnesses so I'm treating it like that and for me under that viewpoint it's a lot easier to deal with.

 

[Kin]

I dunno about you guys but I'm pretty psyched to use this to get out of extended family gatherings during the holidays.

You mean I don't have to talk to my aunt who posted something about how the government did 9/11 on facebook last week? Sweet.

We do a big Thanksgiving that has extended family and cousins I barely know and I find it exhausting so I'll be glad to get out of it but I've very much missed our weekly closer-knit Shabbos dinners. Likewise, if this means we can't do our traditional Chrismukkah December get togethers I'll be pretty bummed.

 

[bustaheims]

We do a big Thanksgiving that has extended family and cousins I barely know and I find it exhausting so I'll be glad to get out of it but I've very much missed our weekly closer-knit Shabbos dinners. Likewise, if this means we can't do our traditional Chrismukkah December get togethers I'll be pretty bummed.

Yeah, not having this every week was weird - though, not as weird as watching streaming Rosh Hashanah services from the couch, and not having big yontif meals.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Try telling that to the guy running the night club.

Ok? I'd be fine to tell that guy the same thing.

And I'd probably agree.

My point is, he wouldn't. He's an entrepreneur. He's running a business that in his eyes probably isn't much different than Flannigan's Irish Pub.

The strip club owner or the night club owner? You've kind of lost me here.

Regardless though, he might think that. And if you could sell him on enforcing a social distancing plan and figuring out a way to collect customer information for tracing purposes in the event of an outbreak he might have a case that it's no different than a pub in how it relates to enforcing safety protocols. Admittedly, I don't know much about strip club economics but it feels like social distancing plus having to give your name at the door would result in such a natural fall off in business that saying they can't open would be probably preferable provided there was some level of government compensation.

But beyond that you've lost me a bit with your larger point. Is it that businesses that rely on a lot of people packing into places don't want to close? Because I think we all get that. Nobody likes what's happening. None of these safety precautions are being taken because governments are looking for fun new ways to clamp down on people's leisure time and whining about them doesn't change the necessity of them. Making exemptions for food service is reasonable and if people don't like that they're in the exact same position as a lot of people who disagree with laws.

I said right from the start that I don't think they're(strip clubs) a necessity. I also don't think they should be open. I only spoke from the point of view of the bar owner. That is all. Yes, you are correct that many business owners feel the same way.

My real point of contention was the comment about the government implementing classroom sizes of 15. It wasn't possible. How it went the way of strip clubs is beyond me.

Because you have a limited set of priorities. If you are trying to open schools and keep kids in schools then that is at odds with having bars, strip clubs and restos open. Denmark's schools are essentially opened normally because they didn't prioritize opening up things that help spread the virus.

We know that the governments in Canada are making decisions for political gains and passing it as "choices for our better good". This is true of Ford and Trudeau.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

https://twitter.com/CTVChristina/status/1309526225162043394

Almost like they shouldn't have re-opened in the first place hmmm

 

[Kin]

Some good points out of England about how having a strict curfew on bars can lead to massive crowds needing public transit all at the same time. So I'm not sure there's an easy answer here.

 

[Peter D.]

https://twitter.com/CTVChristina/status/1309526225162043394

Almost like they shouldn't have re-opened in the first place hmmm

Strip clubs are going to be slammed tonight.  8)

 

[Kin]

A good thread on "The Sweden Method" and why it's so disingenuous for some people to be advocating it:

https://twitter.com/ChrChristensen/status/1309668851387334663

 

[Arn]

In the latest round of UK incompetence... after spaffing a fortune up the wall on an app that didn?t work and then shelving it, the new app was finally released.

But it had a couple of small flaws...

You have to check into places via a QR code. That?s grand if a business has a QR code. Or of course there?s the small issue that you don?t check out of places. So if you go to the gym at 3pm you?re not checked out until you check in somewhere else or midnight. So if you go to the gym then nowhere else and someone else goes to the gym at 9 but registers a positive test then you?ll get a warning to isolate cos it?ll think you were in the gym.

Secondly there was no way to register a test result from the NHS on the app. Quite the oversight. However you could register one done at a private testing site (the same one contracted by the government. No idea why they?d want to drive people towards private paid for testing with one of their partners....)

 

[CarltonTheBear]

https://twitter.com/celliottability/status/1310587111838490625

700 new cases today, a record high in Ontario. Hopefully this is just a one day blip explained by Monday's often being a high day for new cases and maybe they caught up on the massive backlog that's been piling up lately.

Still probably not a great day to announce that casinos are open province wide starting today.

 

[Bender]

https://twitter.com/celliottability/status/1310587111838490625

700 new cases today, a record high in Ontario. Hopefully this is just a one day blip explained by Monday's often being a high day for new cases and maybe they caught up on the massive backlog that's been piling up lately.

Still probably not a great day to announce that casinos are open province wide starting today.

We need to get our priorities in order here. I don't think vaccines are years away. I think we can ride this out, but we have to be smart about it.

 

[Kin]

Also worth mentioning that apparently the testing process is experiencing some hiccups. I got tested a few times in May and the process was quick and I got my results same day.

I know a few people who've been tested recently and not only did it take a long time but there was confusion about needing appointments vs. not needing appointments, which created some unhappiness about who got seen when(there were apparently two separate lines for those with appointments and without) and results are taking as many as 3 days to come in.

Which is to say if things continue to get worse, an already strained system might be in for some real trouble.

 

[Peter D.]

Why did you get tested a few times in May?