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A little of everything.  I'm getting a lot of the fear angle more than conspiracy I would say but its really bizarre listening to the reasoning.  The arguments are around wanting to see more people get the vaccine first.  So their objection isn't to the vaccine being given, they just don't want to be the ones to get it.  I find the reasoning to be particularly poor when talking to other health care providers on that front.  The data is there from the studies.  The number of enrolled patients in the studies is more than adequate to support safety.
 
L K said:
A little of everything.  I'm getting a lot of the fear angle more than conspiracy I would say but its really bizarre listening to the reasoning.  The arguments are around wanting to see more people get the vaccine first.  So their objection isn't to the vaccine being given, they just don't want to be the ones to get it.  I find the reasoning to be particularly poor when talking to other health care providers on that front.  The data is there from the studies.  The number of enrolled patients in the studies is more than adequate to support safety.
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What I don't get is we know how bad covid is and we know that the risk of long covid in young people far outstrips any side effect the vaccine has. My 31 yr old friend who had covid still can't run or play any sports. The resistance to this is just mental.
 
I think it's totally understandable that a good number of folks are hesitant; they've been fed a lot of misinformation, from both unofficial and at times, official sources over the last 10 months, and they're struggling to make informed decisions, particularly the elderly.

Getting frustrated at them isn't going to move this along. Understanding and consistency will.
 
Worth adding that my mother is highly resistant to being amongst the early recipients. She's in her mid 80's and her objection is all-too-vivid memories of how thalidomide was pushed pretty heavily to her around the time she was pregnant with my sister. I gather she very nearly did take it. Now she has a general distrust of any new medicine until it's had lots of time for long term implications to be discovered. It's hard to blame her...many of her friends did take thalidomide with disastrous results.
 
I'd say over half of my closest family are reluctant to get the vaccine, or won't get it outright.  We also know quite a few people in the medical industry/profession in which the majority of whom express from worry/concern about the vaccine, to flat out refusing to ever taking it.
 
Peter D. said:
I'd say over half of my closest family are reluctant to get the vaccine, or won't get it outright.  We also know quite a few people in the medical industry/profession in which the majority of whom express from worry/concern about the vaccine, to flat out refusing to ever taking it.
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Pass it on to me, I'll take it in a heartbeat.
 
Heroic Shrimp said:
Peter D. said:
I'd say over half of my closest family are reluctant to get the vaccine, or won't get it outright.  We also know quite a few people in the medical industry/profession in which the majority of whom express from worry/concern about the vaccine, to flat out refusing to ever taking it.
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Pass it on to me, I'll take it in a heartbeat.
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I wonder if the 50 somethings (hi!) will get their chance earlier than projected based upon reluctance in the high risk groups.
 
Frycer14 said:
I think it's totally understandable that a good number of folks are hesitant; they've been fed a lot of misinformation, from both unofficial and at times, official sources over the last 10 months, and they're struggling to make informed decisions, particularly the elderly.

Getting frustrated at them isn't going to move this along. Understanding and consistency will.
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That's true, and I don't think any amount of safety or efficacy data will do it, even though that's the hallmark of good science. I think it will basically come down to scientists learning how to speak as impassioned as the populists.

I get there have been vaccine mistakes in the past, but maybe we should gather up survivors of all the major diseases that have no longer become problems. Polio, smallpox, measles, rubella, whooping cough and let them tell their stories. The diseases are almost always worse than the vaccines. Unbeknownst to myself my adolescent doctor was more or less and anti-vaxxer and I missed my pertussis booster shot. Guess who was sick and coughing up a lung for 3 months and needed to go on STD at work and went to emerg over Christmas? Yep. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy, and COVID is in the same boat.
 
Bender said:
That's true, and I don't think any amount of safety or efficacy data will do it, even though that's the hallmark of good science. I think it will basically come down to scientists learning how to speak as impassioned as the populists.

I get there have been vaccine mistakes in the past, but maybe we should gather up survivors of all the major diseases that have no longer become problems. Polio, smallpox, measles, rubella, whooping cough and let them tell their stories. The diseases are almost always worse than the vaccines. Unbeknownst to myself my adolescent doctor was more or less and anti-vaxxer and I missed my pertussis booster shot. Guess who was sick and coughing up a lung for 3 months and needed to go on STD at work and went to emerg over Christmas? Yep. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy, and COVID is in the same boat.
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Damn, that sucks.

I think people's receptivity to this vaccine would be 1000% higher if it weren't for the misinformation superhighway known as Facebook.
 
Normally, I would also be up in arms about anyone prattling in about vaccines not being safe, etc., but, I get the hesitation with this one. It?s the first mRNA vaccine that?s been approved and we don?t really know what the potential long-term effects might be. I?m still absolutely going to get it when I can (though, I have to imagine I?m near the bottom of the list), but I get why some people might be skeptics - other than those refusing for the typical antivaxxer garbage.
 
bustaheims said:
Normally, I would also be up in arms about anyone prattling in about vaccines not being safe, etc., but, I get the hesitation with this one. It?s the first mRNA vaccine that?s been approved and we don?t really know what the potential long-term effects might be. I?m still absolutely going to get it when I can (though, I have to imagine I?m near the bottom of the list), but I get why some people might be skeptics - other than those refusing for the typical antivaxxer garbage.
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I get that but we won't truly have that data for another 30 years. What I do know is we have a lot of people with long covid (my 31 y.o. friend included) and basically nobody with long mRNA vaccine syndrome. I'm taking my chances with something that can slow me down years in the futue than with an illness that can not only disable, but also kill me immediately.

*Edit: I think you will get the same hesitancy from lay people regardless of what platform is used. People barely trust the flu vaccine these days.
 
https://twitter.com/EdTubb/status/1346470076627578881

I thought the first time we hit 3k it was just a weird blip from missed counts over the holidays... but uh guess not...
 
Cases up here in the motherland are dropping. We're down to 60 active cases from a high of 135 or so. 5 more days and our lockdown is finished. I don't think they'll be extending it up here.
 
We had 12,500 confirmed cases in Northern Ireland last week (one of whom was my dad). That works out as ~0.7% of the population of the country tested positive in a week.
 
Arn said:
We had 12,500 confirmed cases in Northern Ireland last week (one of whom was my dad). That works out as ~0.7% of the population of the country tested positive in a week.
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I'm sorry man. Hope your dad is ok.
 
So can anyone explain to me how today's announcement represent a significant step in the fight to bring infections down?
 
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