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Guilt Trip
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Always a place here for you!Significantly Insignificant said:
L K said:
No, sorry. I don't actually have a problem with the booster. I was just thinking about it and I was think about the situation I posted and I was wondering if we would see a group emerge where they actually had a problem with the booster but they were fully vaccinated. I'm with Bender that it would be bizarre so I posted that to be a little tongue in cheek.
I mean I don't think we'll see a group like that. I doubt there are people out there that are like " Woah, woah woah...three needles is one needle too much for me", however if you were to describe the last two years, I think Ozzy Osbourne said it best when he said "Crazy, but that's how it goes...."
Thanks for the offer to chat though....
Significantly Insignificant said:
I can't really suggest that there's a large portion of people like that but I've definitely encountered people in my own life who have the first and second shot and say they won't bother with a booster unless the passports make them mandatory.
I've got that too, which I think is kind of weird. Like, if the only thing it does is increase your chances of protection and immunity wanes and you already had 2 shots it's pretty illogical to say you wouldn't take a third if offered. I think it just comes down to people being lazy/not caring. It's going to slowly become like the flu shot: very useful, bad marketing by governments in explaining why it's beneficial and people not caring enough.CarltonTheBear said:
I?ll preface this by saying I am happy to continue to work from home and would love if this became a permanent arranged (although I know it wont). But that being said, I find it funny that the province says to keep working from home if you can, but you know, pack the Scotia bank arena, that?s cool, and gyms and bars and restaurants? Yeah keep going there, don?t worry about that.
Peter D.
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Joe S. said:
I get the premise and agree completely about the contradiction. But this whole thing and talk of enacting restrictions and rollbacks gets a big ?meh? from me. If you?re vaccinated and feeling no symptoms, then just carry on. To have activities and sports and other things shut down again is too much. If you?re unvaccinated, you?re a fool at this point. Hiding people home for 2 to 4 weeks is going to do jack squat to slow things down. And I?m sick of my kids having to miss a week plus of school every time there is a ?potential exposure?. Let?s just chug along at this point, especially with the younger kids getting vaccinated.
As for going back to work ? I look forward to it for the change of scenery and seeing others again. Likely won?t happen any time soon, or ever. But if it means wearing a mask, social distancing in an office and having scheduled lunch times to disperse everyone. Yeah, no thank you. Would much rather stay home.
Guilt Trip
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Totally agree.Peter D. said:
Kin
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Peter D. said:
To be clear, circuit breaker type lockdowns did slow down transmission.
And you can say the unvaccinated are fools all you want, it doesn't change the fact that if and when they catch Covid and get sick, they clog up our hospitals and risk straining our health care system past the breaking point. That's had a disastrous effect so far on people's health care by delaying "elective" surgeries and we don't want yet another massive burden placed on what seems to be pretty burned out health care workers.
If this new variant and the rate at which it spreads forces the government to respond to try and contain it with further restrictions on activity, you should save your frustration for the fact that when things seemed less dire, they were more concerned with not offending the unvaccinated with strong mandates than they were with planning for this exact scenario.
Highlander
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My sister is 75 and in an retirement community, had the Covid booster and thought she was going to die. She said a lot of the other oldsters in her community have had a pretty tough reaction to the booster.
We can't get ours till Jan here in BC. I seem to tolerate it pretty well but my wife had a real sore arm for a long time after her 2nd jab.
We can't get ours till Jan here in BC. I seem to tolerate it pretty well but my wife had a real sore arm for a long time after her 2nd jab.
Guilt Trip
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Hits people different ..my aunt is 85 and didn't have anything with any of the 3 shots. No sore arm, nothing...my dad is 86, nothing...my kids 20 and 22 felt like crap with both doses...I had a sore arm and was sleepy...wife had a sore arm but felt like death with the flu shot...I'll see how the booster goes in early JanHighlander said:
Nik said:
That's a numbers game though, isn't it? If the concern is the hospitalizations, and it shows that vaccinated people don't contribute significantly to the hospitalizations, then can't we open back up? Right now Ontario is at 81% fully vaccinated 5 and up, which is an encouraging number. I think they should be able to predict a worst case scenario based on what the numbers are.
I mean, from what I understand, the main problem with this virus is exactly what you said in that it was always about the volume of sick people producing congestion in the health care system. It didn't seem like it was about the overall effect on society from the perspective of how sick they would get as the number that kept getting thrown around was that 80% of the people who get it just experience flu like symptoms. You know it's not like Ebola, which has a 95% kill rate. Although the long haul effects are concerning and are something that needs to be thrown into consideration.
For me though, it seems like we still need to be on high alert at every turn. On the news last night they had a story about one death from the new variant. What about all the other deaths from the other variants. Why do we need a story about one death from the new variant at this point in the pandemic?
Kin
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Significantly Insignificant said:
I think they are running those numbers and what they're getting is why they're so concerned. If we still have millions of unvaccinated people running around and our ICU capacity is 600 or whatever it is then even if we have 0 breakthrough hospitalizations it certainly wouldn't take a huge surge in cases for another huge strain to be put on the health care system and a big surge in cases is what's being predicted because of how transmissable this variant is.
Which is before you even get to the issue of vaccine efficacy against this variant which some early reports say is down significantly. I don't think people should panic but I think people should be prepared for the reality we might be running into.
Peter D.
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Nik said:
I just don't see the point of circuit breaker type lockdowns when 80%+ of the province is vaccinated. Unless you are exhibiting symptoms, I don't feel we have things need to be so restrictive of those who are double vaccinated.
Now, if the argument is to be more punitive towards the unvaccinated, sure, I agree with that. But I'm not even looking for stronger government mandates. I'm looking at those businesses in particular (*cough* school boards *cough*) that actual follow through on their vaccine mandates and place unvaccinated staff on leave or fire them outright than drawing it out and allowing them to self-test three times a week because they fear of a teachers shortage.
I'm done having to halt life in general on and off, especially being double vaccinated and not experiencing any symptoms, to try and contain something that will never truly be contained.
If they want to curtail gathering limits, fine. But a full on shutdown, if they do contemplate that, then they can just pound sand.
Kin
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Peter D. said:
I mean, the point of them is that 3 million unvaccinated people are still out there, this variant might make vaccines significantly less effective and our health care system is hanging on by a thread.
I appreciate that restrictions are frustrating but nobody is contemplating them for any reason other than the utmost serious ones.