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Coyotes @ Leafs - Dec. 19th, 7:00pm - TSN, TSN 1050

A win is a win I guess.  2 points bottom line.  Yet another game where the goalie faces 30+ shots and pretty much has to be perfect for the Leafs to have a chance.  2 or fewer goals in 16 of their last 23 games (start of November).  Shut out twice, scored once in 9 and 2 goals in 5.  49 goals overall.  That's some stellar hockey. 

 
Potvin29 said:
TML fan said:
bustaheims said:
TML fan said:
He's the team's best defensive forward. The Leafs stop trying to score when they have a lead.

He's really not. His even strength defensive play has not been very good all season. When he's used properly, he's a very good penalty killer, but, with the way he's being used right now, he's being over-extended and he hasn't been all that good at anything on a consistent basis.

Randy overplays him, because the Leafs are always playing defence.

Chicken or the egg
Unless you quantify what type of egg, this question must be rhetorical.
 
bustaheims said:
Potvin29 said:
Shootouts count..insofar as they don't actually decide anything truly meaningful.

They're the asterisk of wins.

Now, 8-2-3 in one-goal games.

If you could SO/OT wins separately (W-SOW/OTW-L-OTL/SOL) they're 1-7-2-3.

And this makes 7 times they've given up the lead and let the other team force overtime (conversely, they've forced overtime twice).

Yeah, 'win's a win' but they're getting a lot wins like that.
 
why do we keep complaining with any win???  Contrary to popular beliefs the Coyotes are a very tight and well coached team. and do very well on less talent in the forward ranks as do the Loafs.
 
Highlander said:
why do we keep complaining with any win???

They've got 1 regulation win in their last 16. I'm sure happy they've got the others, but if we're talking about what we thinks going to happen over the next few months, bad wins suggest coming losses. Or: folks who weren't complaining about wins earlier in the season are shocked and upset by the current troubles; those who were saw it coming and so lowered their expectations.
 
If you look at that tying goal, if Phaneuf just holds his position in front of the net he's able to take either Coyote coming from either side. Instead he goes fishing around the back of the net and leaves the Coyote to come out free. Nice if Clarkson would have been able to pick him up but that's pretty far down. Nice if Reimer stops that too.  Bad goal but Dion makes bad decisions all the time. A soon -to-be $7 mil body with a 99 cent brain.
 
Thank goodness for JVR, Lupul & Reimer in the shootout.  Relieved Leafs win it.  Those lead- blowing habits are enough to give one the shakes.  At least a shootout win more than makes up for that.
 
Coach Randy Carlyle spent eight-plus hours at the rink Wednesday with the coaching staff on a day off for players devising what he hoped was a plan to turn the Leafs' fortunes around. Presented at the morning skate was a blue print that included a harder forecheck and more aggressive defensive zone play.[/ color]

For the most part, the Leafs followed that against Phoenix (18-10-6).

A strong forecheck was evident on Bodie's first goal of the season and first in a Leafs uniform, thanks to work from Holland and Jerry D'Amigo. The puck got out to defenceman Cody Franson at the point, and Bodie was in a perfect spot to put the rebound in on Canadian Olympic candidate Mike Smith.

"(Forechecking is) something we've been stressing," Bodie said. "I think we did a good job of it on the goal. We got a good dump and we had two guys in on it
right away and then the third guy joined. We were able to come out with it."

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=439424


 
It's nice that, after all these years, I can miss a game and log in to the site, read the game day thread and know if the team won or lost judging by the tenor of the posts.
 
lamajama said:
If you look at that tying goal, if Phaneuf just holds his position in front of the net he's able to take either Coyote coming from either side. Instead he goes fishing around the back of the net and leaves the Coyote to come out free. Nice if Clarkson would have been able to pick him up but that's pretty far down. Nice if Reimer stops that too.  Bad goal but Dion makes bad decisions all the time. A soon -to-be $7 mil body with a 99 cent brain.

Yeah... he's pretty terrible. If only we had a defenceman who could lead the team in icetime and +/-...  ::)
 
I only watched from the 3d period on, and I paid attention to Clarkson. He seems quite out of sync with the rest of the team, he's never in any particular position, he bumps into his teammates, he doesn't pass, he stands still for long stretches.

I don't get what he's contributing to the team other than taking up ice time.
 
Joe S. said:
I only watched from the 3d period on, and I paid attention to Clarkson. He seems quite out of sync with the rest of the team, he's never in any particular position, he bumps into his teammates, he doesn't pass, he stands still for long stretches.

I don't get what he's contributing to the team other than taking up ice time.

He did not play badly. He has a couple of good power moves in the second. The third period, was well back to the normal, getting pinned in our end until they tied the game up, and then they started to push again. Smith got lucky that our first line could not connect.
 
Joe S. said:
I only watched from the 3d period on, and I paid attention to Clarkson. He seems quite out of sync with the rest of the team, he's never in any particular position, he bumps into his teammates, he doesn't pass, he stands still for long stretches.

I don't get what he's contributing to the team other than taking up ice time.

And that was one of his better games! Although that line did seem overwhelmed in the 3rd.
 
lamajama said:
Bad goal but Dion makes bad decisions all the time.

If he does, they rarely ever end up as goals against.  But it's far from fact that he does "all the time" even if some desperately want that to be true.
 
hockeyfan1 said:
Coach Randy Carlyle spent eight-plus hours at the rink Wednesday with the coaching staff on a day off for players devising what he hoped was a plan to turn the Leafs' fortunes around. Presented at the morning skate was a blue print that included a harder forecheck and more aggressive defensive zone play.[/ color]

For the most part, the Leafs followed that against Phoenix (18-10-6).

A strong forecheck was evident on Bodie's first goal of the season and first in a Leafs uniform, thanks to work from Holland and Jerry D'Amigo. The puck got out to defenceman Cody Franson at the point, and Bodie was in a perfect spot to put the rebound in on Canadian Olympic candidate Mike Smith.

"(Forechecking is) something we've been stressing," Bodie said. "I think we did a good job of it on the goal. We got a good dump and we had two guys in on it
right away and then the third guy joined. We were able to come out with it."

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=439424


This is even more discouraging to be honest. If Carlyle was just a bad coach, that's one thing. The players just aren't listening to him. He needs to go, or the players need to go, but something needs to change.

Kinda funny how the only players that seem to listen to him get the least ice time...
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Joe S. said:
I only watched from the 3d period on, and I paid attention to Clarkson. He seems quite out of sync with the rest of the team, he's never in any particular position, he bumps into his teammates, he doesn't pass, he stands still for long stretches.

I don't get what he's contributing to the team other than taking up ice time.

And that was one of his better games! Although that line did seem overwhelmed in the 3rd.

He may have has a good first 2 periods - I unfortunately missed them. I'm not looking for reasons not to like him as a player - believe me I'd rather be happy with his performance - I'm not looking for him to suck.
 
Joe S. said:
He may have has a good first 2 periods - I unfortunately missed them. I'm not looking for reasons not to like him as a player - believe me I'd rather be happy with his performance - I'm not looking for him to suck.

Oh I understand. I just meant even in one of his better games in the past month he was just an ok 3rd line checker.
 
TML fan said:
hockeyfan1 said:
Coach Randy Carlyle spent eight-plus hours at the rink Wednesday with the coaching staff on a day off for players devising what he hoped was a plan to turn the Leafs' fortunes around. Presented at the morning skate was a blue print that included a harder forecheck and more aggressive defensive zone play.[/ color]

For the most part, the Leafs followed that against Phoenix (18-10-6).

A strong forecheck was evident on Bodie's first goal of the season and first in a Leafs uniform, thanks to work from Holland and Jerry D'Amigo. The puck got out to defenceman Cody Franson at the point, and Bodie was in a perfect spot to put the rebound in on Canadian Olympic candidate Mike Smith.

"(Forechecking is) something we've been stressing," Bodie said. "I think we did a good job of it on the goal. We got a good dump and we had two guys in on it
right away and then the third guy joined. We were able to come out with it."

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=439424


This is even more discouraging to be honest. If Carlyle was just a bad coach, that's one thing. The players just aren't listening to him. He needs to go, or the players need to go, but something needs to change.

Kinda funny how the only players that seem to listen to him get the least ice time...


That's what I thought too. It's as if Carlyle hasn't built any sort of foundation what so ever this year, which is clear by their consistently poor STYLE of play. At least he's making an effort now to change their STYLE of play.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Joe S. said:
He may have has a good first 2 periods - I unfortunately missed them. I'm not looking for reasons not to like him as a player - believe me I'd rather be happy with his performance - I'm not looking for him to suck.

Oh I understand. I just meant even in one of his better games in the past month he was just an ok 3rd line checker.

I remember when people were pissed when Reichel was getting 3 mil+ as a third liner, and he was putting up 50 points - I doubt we'll see anything close to that from Clarkson.

Somebody here said before the season ended that the Leafs only free agent pick up is going to be Clarkson and it's going to be a mistake - I wish I could remember who that was.
 

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