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Coyotes @ Leafs - Dec. 19th, 7:00pm - TSN, TSN 1050

Potvin29 said:
CarltonTheBear said:
Bryan Hayes ‏@HayesTSN 26s
McClement has to get that puck out. He's a checking forward and doesn't make that play?

MSM criticizing McClement?

WHAT WORLD IS THIS?

McClement and Clarkson more ice time than Kessel, Kadri, Holland, Raymond.

D'Amigo 3:00.

Pathetic use of your bench.  Why the hell is McClement getting so much ice time?  It's insane.

He's the team's best defensive forward. The Leafs stop trying to score when they have a lead.
 
TML fan said:
Potvin29 said:
CarltonTheBear said:
Bryan Hayes ‏@HayesTSN 26s
McClement has to get that puck out. He's a checking forward and doesn't make that play?

MSM criticizing McClement?

WHAT WORLD IS THIS?

McClement and Clarkson more ice time than Kessel, Kadri, Holland, Raymond.

D'Amigo 3:00.

Pathetic use of your bench.  Why the hell is McClement getting so much ice time?  It's insane.

He's the team's best defensive forward. The Leafs stop trying to score when they have a lead.

Holland is just as capable defensively as he is.  As is Kulemin.  And he's a blackhole offensively.  It's no coincidence that when he plays a lot the team's game bogs down completely.  It's stupid.
 
Potvin29 said:
McClement and Clarkson more ice time than Kessel, Kadri, Holland, Raymond.

D'Amigo 3:00.

Pathetic use of your bench.  Why the hell is McClement getting so much ice time?  It's insane.

I don't get it, either. What's the point in having a 4th line if they're not even going to play 4 minutes? Bench them in the 3rd in close or tied games, sure, but use them in the first 2 periods so that your other guys aren't so drained when it gets late in the game. I mean, never mind the fact that 3rd line players are getting 1st line minutes . . .
 
bustaheims said:
Potvin29 said:
McClement and Clarkson more ice time than Kessel, Kadri, Holland, Raymond.

D'Amigo 3:00.

Pathetic use of your bench.  Why the hell is McClement getting so much ice time?  It's insane.

I don't get it, either. What's the point in having a 4th line if they're not even going to play 4 minutes? Bench them in the 3rd in close or tied games, sure, but use them in the first 2 periods so that your other guys aren't so drained when it gets late in the game. I mean, never mind the fact that 3rd line players are getting 1st line minutes . . .

He'd play Orr and McLaren more
 
bustaheims said:
Potvin29 said:
McClement and Clarkson more ice time than Kessel, Kadri, Holland, Raymond.

D'Amigo 3:00.

Pathetic use of your bench.  Why the hell is McClement getting so much ice time?  It's insane.

I don't get it, either. What's the point in having a 4th line if they're not even going to play 4 minutes? Bench them in the 3rd in close or tied games, sure, but use them in the first 2 periods so that your other guys aren't so drained when it gets late in the game. I mean, never mind the fact that 3rd line players are getting 1st line minutes . . .

A game the 4th line creates the only goal and you still don't play them?
 
TML fan said:
He's the team's best defensive forward. The Leafs stop trying to score when they have a lead.

He's really not. His even strength defensive play has not been very good all season. When he's used properly, he's a very good penalty killer, but, with the way he's being used right now, he's being over-extended and he hasn't been all that good at anything on a consistent basis.
 
bustaheims said:
Potvin29 said:
McClement and Clarkson more ice time than Kessel, Kadri, Holland, Raymond.

D'Amigo 3:00.

Pathetic use of your bench.  Why the hell is McClement getting so much ice time?  It's insane.

I don't get it, either. What's the point in having a 4th line if they're not even going to play 4 minutes? Bench them in the 3rd in close or tied games, sure, but use them in the first 2 periods so that your other guys aren't so drained when it gets late in the game. I mean, never mind the fact that 3rd line players are getting 1st line minutes . . .

Especially in a compressed season.  Bodie must be sitting there going WTF did I do wrong.
 
Potvin29 said:
TML fan said:
Potvin29 said:
CarltonTheBear said:
Bryan Hayes ‏@HayesTSN 26s
McClement has to get that puck out. He's a checking forward and doesn't make that play?

MSM criticizing McClement?

WHAT WORLD IS THIS?

McClement and Clarkson more ice time than Kessel, Kadri, Holland, Raymond.

D'Amigo 3:00.

Pathetic use of your bench.  Why the hell is McClement getting so much ice time?  It's insane.

He's the team's best defensive forward. The Leafs stop trying to score when they have a lead.

Holland is just as capable defensively as he is.  As is Kulemin.  And he's a blackhole offensively.  It's no coincidence that when he plays a lot the team's game bogs down completely.  It's stupid.

I know it's stupid, but that's how the Leafs play hockey. Who's on the ice doesn't matter. You won't score with 4 guys back.
 
Assuming they don't see the ice at all in OT (which is a reasonable assumption), the 4th line will have seen a total of 9:01 in ice time tonight. On a team that uses their bench more traditionally, they'll have each received around that much.
 
bustaheims said:
Assuming they don't see the ice at all in OT (which is a reasonable assumption), the 4th line will have seen a total of 9:01 in ice time tonight. On a team that uses their bench more traditionally, they'll have each received around that much.

Even Phoenix only played their guys about 6:00 each and it's still double the Leafs' 4th line.
 
bustaheims said:
TML fan said:
He's the team's best defensive forward. The Leafs stop trying to score when they have a lead.

He's really not. His even strength defensive play has not been very good all season. When he's used properly, he's a very good penalty killer, but, with the way he's being used right now, he's being over-extended and he hasn't been all that good at anything on a consistent basis.

Randy overplays him, because the Leafs are always playing defence.
 
TML fan said:
bustaheims said:
TML fan said:
He's the team's best defensive forward. The Leafs stop trying to score when they have a lead.

He's really not. His even strength defensive play has not been very good all season. When he's used properly, he's a very good penalty killer, but, with the way he's being used right now, he's being over-extended and he hasn't been all that good at anything on a consistent basis.

Randy overplays him, because the Leafs are always playing defence.

Chicken or the egg
 
TML fan said:
Randy overplays him, because the Leafs are always playing defence.

They may spend a lot of time in the defensive zone. I'm not sure I'd call what they do there "playing defence."
 

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