Coyotes @ Maple Leafs - Oct. 17th, 7:00pm - SN, TSN 1050

[Bill_Berg]

I love the Leafs, but I really hate the NHL.

 

[Britishbulldog]

Wow!!!

 

[ZBBM]

Well, they deserved to lose but what a screw job.

 

[bustaheims]

Garbage call on Kerfoot?s goal.

 

[Bender]

Glad I gave up for once

 

[ZBBM]

I'm about done with Keefe.  He blows up the other night over typical bad calls but here he just stands there in disbelief.  To me he's a mediocre coach who doesn't add much value. 

 

[azzurri63]

Got what they deserved. Show up for 10 minutes against an AHL team. Rinse and repeat year after year. Gutless bunch.

 

[azzurri63]

I'm about done with Keefe.  He blows up the other night over typical bad calls but here he just stands there in disbelief.

Been like that for his whole tenure same as Dubas. I can see that call coming back what pisses me off are these stupid reviews. Play went on, questionable at best let the play continue. Whatever I've gotten to the point where I'm used to this from this team. Some of the teams in the East have slipped this year I think we have to. Don't see them racking up the same points as last year. They are going to struggle against the likes of Buffalo, Ottawa and the window is closing with these teams to eventually topple us in the standings. All because of the lack of being able to do anything to actually better the team. 

 

[ZBBM]

I'm about done with Keefe.  He blows up the other night over typical bad calls but here he just stands there in disbelief.

Been like that for his whole tenure same as Dubas. I can see that call coming back what pisses me off are these stupid reviews. Play went on, questionable at best let the play continue. Whatever I've gotten to the point where I'm used to this from this team. Some of the teams in the East have slipped this year I think we have to. Don't see them racking up the same points as last year. They are going to struggle against the likes of Buffalo, Ottawa and the window is closing with these teams to eventually topple us in the standings. All because of the lack of being able to do anything to actually better the team. 

My beef with Sheldon is that he is slow to make adjustments.  Switching up lines doesn't always work but he should have been doing that by midway in the game at the latest, not in the 3rd.  He's arguably been outcoached in each of the playoff series he's lost.  I know you aren't a fan of the Big Four but say what you will, they are all elite or right next door to it.  And we can't waste any more of their prime years (well, JT is past his) on coaches who can't seem to get them over the hump.

 

[Champ Kind]

That is the worst call I've ever seen.

Can someone explain how the ?Situation Room? (or whatever that miserable place is called) does not have the same camera angle as Sportsnet?  Because the angle I just saw clearly shows puck hitting Kellar?s skate.

 

[azzurri63]

That is the worst call I've ever seen.

Can someone explain how the ?Situation Room? (or whatever that miserable place is called) does not have the same camera angle as Sportsnet?  Because the angle I just saw clearly shows puck hitting Kellar?s skate.

I think they said he Keller touched it but didn?t have possession so I guess it?s a hand pass. Replays I saw it was even questionable did it definitely hit Reillys hand or Kelley?s stick. Could have gone either way but nonetheless they played like crap against arguably the worst team in the league.

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/leafspr/status/1582174196784037888
https://twitter.com/twistedleafs/status/1582166272254496768
LTIR?

 

[hobarth]

since 2015, they?re 4-11-0 against them

https://theleafsnation.com/news/leafs-lay-another-egg-against-lottery-destined-coyotes-muzzys-muzings

 

[OldTimeHockey]

I'm about done with Keefe.  He blows up the other night over typical bad calls but here he just stands there in disbelief.  To me he's a mediocre coach who doesn't add much value. 

I've questioned many of his decisions but I'm not sure what you'd have him do there? Throw stuff on the ice? Is there value added in a coach throwing a tantrum?

 

[L K]

We are about to watch a defense that has Victor Mete playing games.    It?s only four games into the season but our defense doesn?t look good.  It?s slow and feels like it doesn?t mesh with the forwards.

I like Justin Holl the person but I?m tired of watching him throw grenades up the middle of the ice in the defensive zone?or skate across the ice in the neutral zone to try and attack the forechecker letting and odd man rush because he doesn?t skate well enough to do that and then get back into position.

This feels like it?s going to be a very frustrating year

 

[dappleganger]

https://twitter.com/leafspr/status/1582174196784037888
https://twitter.com/twistedleafs/status/1582166272254496768
LTIR?

No penalty for Keller on the play either.

 

[Frank E]

This feels like the type of game that usually gets a coach fired.

Kyle isn't canning his super friend of course.

I don't think he should either, just has that nobody is doing their job, we need a change vibes.

I don't know that Kyle gets another coach...they had to pay Babcock a lot of dough to not coach the Leafs.

 

[herman]

https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2022/10/18/sheldon-keefe-post-game-coyotes-4-vs-leafs-2/

I thought we started well in the game. We had full control of the game. We had the puck really the entire first period, for the most part, at five on five. We couldn?t get to the net. It was a credit to Arizona. They packed it in. They had five people on the inside blocking shots and defending the net.

We couldn?t convert our offensive-zone time into anything really tangible at the net. I thought we had a shift in there about six or seven minutes into the first period where it felt like we had the puck in the zone for a minute and a half or two minutes. I thought that shift sort of lulled us to sleep. From there, it felt like we had full confidence that we were going to have real control of the game and get lots of chances.

I thought we overhandled pucks. I thought we didn?t the puck to the net quick enough, so we allowed them to get inside with how they defended the net.

I think that's a pretty solid assessment. Now why didn't that translate into tangible change in tactics/mentality on the ice? It's a pretty similar situation to how we got rolled by Columbus/Montreal; I'd like to have had a proper system of solutions in place by now when faced with these pack-the-slot defense and counters. It's not something that can be finessed into submission.

If anyone in the Front Office is reading this: go Carolina on these defenses. Shoot from everywhere and hunt pucks down and shoot again to get them turning around and having to make lots of sort out decisions. We have the horses to make this happen.

 

[Guilt Trip]

I find it hilarious and sad that so many people said the regular season doesn't mean anything yet 4 games into an 82 game schedule, the team is garbage and Keefe can't coach. It's a long season, breathe.

 

[herman]

Ah, we are on the same page:

https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2022/10/18/game-in-10-coyotes-4-maple-leafs-2/

Far too often under Sheldon Keefe, we have seen this team completely unable to generate offense when the opposition tries to park the bus. It happened in the bubble against Columbus, to some degree against Montreal, and late in the series against Tampa (definitely in Game 7).

When the Leafs are trying to claw back into a game and the opposition is fundamentally sound in structuring its defensive zone play to guard the high-danger areas, Toronto responds by endlessly cycling around the perimeter, looking for shooting lanes that will never open.

[...]

The analytics boom in hockey put an emphasis on trying to eradicate throwing the puck at the net through seven bodies because it?s a low-percentage shot, which was a sound idea on the power play, but I think some teams (Leafs included) have swung too far in discouraging that shot. I harped on this in my post-game analysis pieces in the playoffs, but every so often firing a puck at the net when the opposing team is taking away all your dangerous stuff (access to the slot, cross-seam passes), is not a bad idea. Sometimes you?ll get a fortunate bounce out of it and every so often it will beat the goalie via a deflection. It?s better than skating around doing nothing while the time dwindles, that?s for sure.

Mix in some rush plays so the other team can't pack the house. Take shots from rock star angles. Make chaos. Our elite players are elite because they just need a blink of time to weave order out of a miasma of mayhem and put the puck in the net off a nothing play. That's the John Tavares way. That's Matthews when he chops through 4 players. Marner is a chaos magician who turns bounces into tap ins. Nylander has some of the best hands and timing in tight to pop pucks in. No one is getting paid for puck possession time.