David Clarkson - Signs with Maple Leafs

[Highlander]

Its getting pretty bad when the inhabitants of this site have to be apologetic for getting excited about a new player. What the heck are we fans for if all we can do is bash what we have. Clarkson will be a great player for us, no doubt and remember without lock outs or major upheavals in society the cap rate will be up dramatically in a few years, maybe by 30% So his hit four our five years down the road will be negligible

 

[Corn Flake]

Its getting pretty bad when the inhabitants of this site have to be apologetic for getting excited about a new player. What the heck are we fans for if all we can do is bash what we have.

It is kind of silly to be so heavily influenced on whether one likes a player or not based on how much money he makes. 

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

Where is the parade route Leiweke's planned out again? 8)

I'm not trying to be hyperbolic, I think Corn Flake got what I was trying to say. I just have a feeling he's going to be a very good player for us and a fan favorite.

My comment wasn't meant to be 'smart-assed'. Im really hoping he can play a big part in making this team a contender in a year or two.

Oh okay, I saw the sunglasses and thought you were.. no harm.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

It is kind of silly to be so heavily influenced on whether one likes a player or not based on how much money he makes. 

I find that is what happens with Phaneuf. I know this is not the thread for this, but to answer your point, maybe having sites like Cap Geek compounds this.

 

[maplesyrup]

It is kind of silly to be so heavily influenced on whether one likes a player or not based on how much money he makes. 

I find that is what happens with Phaneuf. I know this is not the thread for this, but to answer your point, maybe having sites like Cap Geek compounds this.

Yeah, I was thinking of Phaneuf too when I read that.

 

[louisstamos]

Where is the parade route Leiweke's planned out again? 8)

I'm not trying to be hyperbolic, I think Corn Flake got what I was trying to say. I just have a feeling he's going to be a very good player for us and a fan favorite.

My comment wasn't meant to be 'smart-assed'. Im really hoping he can play a big part in making this team a contender in a year or two.

Oh okay, I saw the sunglasses and thought you were.. no harm.

I've noticed sunglasses have become the new defacto "smart-assed" sign

 

[Sudafederov]

 

[Corn Flake]

It is kind of silly to be so heavily influenced on whether one likes a player or not based on how much money he makes. 

I find that is what happens with Phaneuf. I know this is not the thread for this, but to answer your point, maybe having sites like Cap Geek compounds this.

Yeah, I was thinking of Phaneuf too when I read that.

That's who I was thinking of when I wrote it. 

 

[mr grieves]

It is kind of silly to be so heavily influenced on whether one likes a player or not based on how much money he makes. 

I find that is what happens with Phaneuf. I know this is not the thread for this, but to answer your point, maybe having sites like Cap Geek compounds this.

Maybe. I'd think it also has a lot to do with having a salary cap...

Still, I remember people being deeply offended by Robert Reichel's salary, so there's surely an element of silly moralizing.

 

[MetalRaven]

It is kind of silly to be so heavily influenced on whether one likes a player or not based on how much money he makes. 

I find that is what happens with Phaneuf. I know this is not the thread for this, but to answer your point, maybe having sites like Cap Geek compounds this.

Maybe. I'd think it also has a lot to do with having a salary cap...

Still, I remember people being deeply offended by Robert Reichel's salary, so there's surely an element of silly moralizing.

    I think it has a lot to do with expectation. When you negotiate a contract the player says "im worth this much because I believe im a first line center. " there is a level expectation that goes along with that. If I buy a big mac get home and find only a piece of lettuce in the box; im going to hate that big mac. (I love big macs and Mcd's for the record) If the team pays a player like a 1st line center and he ends up on the 4th or worse is left there and still plays like a 4th; fans start to hate that player. Then comes the next part...everyone now knows this player is garbage and way overpaid...sometimes you can get a naive GM to pick up the player hoping a change of scenery will do him good. Sometimes it works. Problem now is we live in Cap World. Meaning the list of GMs capable of doing this without going over the cap is much smaller. So now more then ever you are stuck with that player. At least I can eat the lettuce pretend its good and then go make something else.
    As silly as it may seem the pre-cap era wasn't an era of unlimited money. Owners were still only willing to pay so much because they still wanted to make some profit. So there was always a theoretical, imaginary but yet real cap. So people not liking Reichel because he made too much money is more like people not liking him because he said he was going to play like this....then they, right or wrong, believed he did not play like "this" Not at all. So they were mad. (I just wanted someone better then him, I didnt hate him at all for the record)

tl;dr : People hate things that dont live up to expectations. These are expectations the players made themselves.

 

[princedpw]

It is kind of silly to be so heavily influenced on whether one likes a player or not based on how much money he makes. 

I find that is what happens with Phaneuf. I know this is not the thread for this, but to answer your point, maybe having sites like Cap Geek compounds this.

Maybe. I'd think it also has a lot to do with having a salary cap...

It's totally the salary cap (and sites like cap geek).  And it really is a shame to worry about getting a good player with a high salary. 

There's a similar problem with the new stats.  Before, I was pretty happy to just watch the game and hope for the best.  Now, I know that last year's team-wide shooting percentage was ridiculously high and that historically, such shooting percentages are not sustained.  Hence, it seems I should probably be anticipating a very weak showing next year by the Leafs, probably having them finish well out of the playoffs, especially since they decided to buyout what would appear to be their best center.  Ug.

 

[leafplasma]

It is kind of silly to be so heavily influenced on whether one likes a player or not based on how much money he makes. 

I find that is what happens with Phaneuf. I know this is not the thread for this, but to answer your point, maybe having sites like Cap Geek compounds this.

Maybe. I'd think it also has a lot to do with having a salary cap...

Still, I remember people being deeply offended by Robert Reichel's salary, so there's surely an element of silly moralizing.

    I think it has a lot to do with expectation. When you negotiate a contract the player says "im worth this much because I believe im a first line center. " there is a level expectation that goes along with that. If I buy a big mac get home and find only a piece of lettuce in the box; im going to hate that big mac. (I love big macs and Mcd's for the record) If the team pays a player like a 1st line center and he ends up on the 4th or worse is left there and still plays like a 4th; fans start to hate that player. Then comes the next part...everyone now knows this player is garbage and way overpaid...sometimes you can get a naive GM to pick up the player hoping a change of scenery will do him good. Sometimes it works. Problem now is we live in Cap World. Meaning the list of GMs capable of doing this without going over the cap is much smaller. So now more then ever you are stuck with that player. At least I can eat the lettuce pretend its good and then go make something else.
    As silly as it may seem the pre-cap era wasn't an era of unlimited money. Owners were still only willing to pay so much because they still wanted to make some profit. So there was always a theoretical, imaginary but yet real cap. So people not liking Reichel because he made too much money is more like people not liking him because he said he was going to play like this....then they, right or wrong, believed he did not play like "this" Not at all. So they were mad. (I just wanted someone better then him, I didnt hate him at all for the record)

tl;dr : People hate things that dont live up to expectations. These are expectations the players made themselves.

Ouch!!!

 

[MetalRaven]

It is kind of silly to be so heavily influenced on whether one likes a player or not based on how much money he makes. 

I find that is what happens with Phaneuf. I know this is not the thread for this, but to answer your point, maybe having sites like Cap Geek compounds this.

Maybe. I'd think it also has a lot to do with having a salary cap...

Still, I remember people being deeply offended by Robert Reichel's salary, so there's surely an element of silly moralizing.

    I think it has a lot to do with expectation. When you negotiate a contract the player says "im worth this much because I believe im a first line center. " there is a level expectation that goes along with that. If I buy a big mac get home and find only a piece of lettuce in the box; im going to hate that big mac. (I love big macs and Mcd's for the record) If the team pays a player like a 1st line center and he ends up on the 4th or worse is left there and still plays like a 4th; fans start to hate that player. Then comes the next part...everyone now knows this player is garbage and way overpaid...sometimes you can get a naive GM to pick up the player hoping a change of scenery will do him good. Sometimes it works. Problem now is we live in Cap World. Meaning the list of GMs capable of doing this without going over the cap is much smaller. So now more then ever you are stuck with that player. At least I can eat the lettuce pretend its good and then go make something else.
    As silly as it may seem the pre-cap era wasn't an era of unlimited money. Owners were still only willing to pay so much because they still wanted to make some profit. So there was always a theoretical, imaginary but yet real cap. So people not liking Reichel because he made too much money is more like people not liking him because he said he was going to play like this....then they, right or wrong, believed he did not play like "this" Not at all. So they were mad. (I just wanted someone better then him, I didnt hate him at all for the record)

tl;dr : People hate things that dont live up to expectations. These are expectations the players made themselves.

Ouch!!!

That's fair...I was a little hard on lettuce.

 

[KW Sluggo]

It is kind of silly to be so heavily influenced on whether one likes a player or not based on how much money he makes. 

I find that is what happens with Phaneuf. I know this is not the thread for this, but to answer your point, maybe having sites like Cap Geek compounds this.

Yeah, I was thinking of Phaneuf too when I read that.

While I concur inasmuch as I do not really like or dislike players based upon their salaries, the fact remains that the consumption of limited cap space in excess of any player(s) value to the team is a detriment to maximizing the talent level of a team.

Instead of blaming the players it would make more sense to direct the animus toward the management team that overpaid and over assessed the talent of a player.