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Don Cherry fired by Sportsnet

Nik Bethune said:
Well, there are a lot of people out there right now who realize that the ground underneath their feet are shifting. That the institutions that used to protect them and their ideas are now responding to the interests and desires of other people. More people, in fact. Because that's how the marketplace works. Those people are angry and confused. Didn't private industry used to reflect my views? Didn't I used to be in the majority? Those people don't like their views being isolated, their views being the ones that get TV shows cancelled. Happy enough for years to inflict it on others, bitter and loud when they get a taste.

And disturbingly, some of them have turned to ideas that aren't liberal or conservative. Private Companies aren't allowed to censor their employees, they say, broadcast and tech companies should be forced to allow me or my proxies to say  whatever I want on their platform regardless of how it affects them.

There's a word for views like that. Totalitarian. And the rise of those views, well, that bothers me. Because if we're going to talk about what our veterans fought and died for, stopping the spread of that sort of ideology is pretty near the top of the list.
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Well put, sir.
 
louisstamos said:
It's because context matters?

I guarantee you that if Trudeau wore blackface a week before the election, and his explanation was "I don't see what the big deal is," he probably wouldn't have been re-elected.

It was bad, but it was something that happened 20 years ago and he apologized.  Some people decided to forgive him, others no.

What Cherry did was bad, but he did it 3 days ago, and was given the opportunity to apologize *and refused*.  Therein lies the differences and why it's a bit of a strawman.
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We could talk for days as to why it's a facile comparison but, again, the aim is to change the subject and we should not do that.
 
Nik Bethune said:
louisstamos said:
It's because context matters?

I guarantee you that if Trudeau wore blackface a week before the election, and his explanation was "I don't see what the big deal is," he probably wouldn't have been re-elected.

It was bad, but it was something that happened 20 years ago and he apologized.  Some people decided to forgive him, others no.

What Cherry did was bad, but he did it 3 days ago, and was given the opportunity to apologize *and refused*.  Therein lies the differences and why it's a bit of a strawman.
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We could talk for days as to why it's a facile comparison but, again, the aim is to change the subject and we should not do that.
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Touch?.  Will follow suit.
 
Turns out it was not Sportnet that fired Cherry really.  Big business did. Labatt's owns Budweiser who sponsor's Coaches Corner.  So they say to Sportsnet, no more money for you while Don is there.
Can't have what Cherry said affecting sales of Bud.

Well I guess I have had my last Budweiser. This Bud is definitely not for me.
 
There is a very good counter article to Don's firing in the Toronto Sun today.  Also if you think Don being fired for this is wrong, there are now several petitions to reinstate him that are gathering speed.

Again not saying he was right, but Freedom of Speech is paramount to our future. Which is in grave risk, especially from the Social Media mob and AI which is creeping up on all of us.
 
Highlander said:
Turns out it was not Sportnet that fired Cherry really.  Big business did.
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Ah, that noted bastion of progressivism and liberal thought. Big Business.
 
Highlander said:
There is a very good counter article to Don's firing in the Toronto Sun today.  Also if you think Don being fired for this is wrong, there are now several petitions to reinstate him that are gathering speed.

Again not saying he was right, but Freedom of Speech is paramount to our future. Which is in grave risk, especially from the Social Media mob and AI which is creeping up on all of us.
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Generally when debating two parties have to agree to the ground rules. In this case it's a decision on the definition of freedom of speech. There is an objective definition of freedom of speech, and in this case you can't decide what it means, but if you have decided to remain ignorant of the definition then there is no conversation to be had.
 
Leaffan61 said:
I am very disappointed that many of my fellow Canadians cannot see the slippery slope we're going down.

How sad.
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I generally don't like to be one of those "logical fallacies" guys but slippery slope arguments are considered fallacious for a reason. It removes the concept of judgement and caution, not to mention moderation, from the equation and disregards the reality that any step could be on a "slippery slope" towards a different situation but intelligent humans are capable of discerning one situation from another.

 
Leaffan61 said:
I am very disappointed that many of my fellow Canadians cannot see the slippery slope we're going down.

How sad.
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He is a broadcaster for hockey. Coaches Corner shouldnt be the Don Cherry chastises the public at large for imaginary problems or for his politics. There is no slippery slope here. He could've just said it's important to support the troops, wear a poppy, but no. He singled out and chastised certain groups of people on air. I don't think this is a good way to grow the game.

Like I said before, if I represented my company the way he did in a public function I wouldn't even be given the benefit of apologizing for my poor choice of words - I would just be fired and I would own that because a decision like that carries consequences. The fact that he was given a chance to apologize and rephrase and he didn't and chose to be fired is his decision. He's a big boy and he made his choice.

My grandparents came to this country from Italy and I don't recall them ever wearing a poppy but they did sometimes watch hockey. I just think to myself if I were them how would I feel being yelled at by this guy when all I want to do is watch hockey?
 
AvroArrow said:
The slippery slope of combatting racism, discrimination, etc?
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Avro, why don't you read the article by Jerry Agar in the Toronto Sun this morning..slippery slope indeed.  I really don't believe Don is a racist anymore than you and I are.  He just wants everyone to respect the Poppy as a symbol of all the freedom we have today. Was he out of line, yes we all agree on what he said and how he said it.
 
Highlander said:
AvroArrow said:
The slippery slope of combatting racism, discrimination, etc?
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Avro, why don't you read the article by Jerry Agar in the Toronto Sun this morning..slippery slope indeed.  I really don't believe Don is a racist anymore than you and I are.  He just wants everyone to respect the Poppy as a symbol of all the freedom we have today. Was he out of line, yes we all agree on what he said and how he said it.
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If you want to discount what Don has said all these years be my guest. If you want to speak for yourself and say your beliefs are on par with Cherry's beliefs or vice-versa go ahead. But I really don't think making that call on someone else is a good or fair comparison to make.
 
Don Cherry is a racist, xenophobic, bigoted, whatever you want to call it. This was clear well before this incident. If you're trying to pretend he isn't then you're being, at best, incredibly naive.
 
Ah yes, that veritable tome of moderation and sober reflection that is the Toronto Sun. Surely they've approached this issue from a place of objectivity.
 
In fairness to both sides, I read the Jerry Agar "article."

I remain unconvinced the firing of Don Cherry contributes to a slippery slope to, ah, somewhere?
 
Nik Bethune said:
Ah yes, that veritable tome of moderation and sober reflection that is the Toronto Sun. Surely they've approached this issue from a place of objectivity.
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The entire article is literally just a bunch of whataboutisms. Honestly embarrassing.
 
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