Duchene & Turris traded
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WhatIfGodWasALeaf
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1st, 2nd, 3rd, Girard, Kamenev, Hammond and Bowers for Duchene seems like a good haul for Colorado.
WhatIfGodWasALeaf
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https://twitter.com/theflintor/status/927330272965689344
Kin
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Significantly Insignificant said:
I always thought that if JVR was traded to a team he was willing to sign an extension with a fair expected return would be a 1st rounder and a B/B- level prospect. To me, that's roughly what Nashville gave up.
I think Nashville actually did fairly well here. My guess is that's because the other teams in the deal were fairly motivated sellers.
bustaheims
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WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:
Yeah. Duchene is better, but the difference between them is not Bowers, a 1st and a 3rd. I don't think the sens do much to improve their team here, while they weaken their future in the process.
Nashville and Colorado both come out on the winning end of this deal.
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AvroArrow said:
He's an AHL goalie who performed very poorly in his 6 NHL games last season . . . so, I'm going to guess that adding him doesn't impact the Avs plans for Varlamov.
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bustaheims said:
Sure but let's be real. The reason Duchene was a big get was because of the belief that he's not what he's been the last few years and that a change in scenery could make him more like the kind of guy who made Team Canada in '14.
I think that's debatable but that's what they're trading for here and it's why Sakic was able to get it.
Looks like Sakic finally won that game of chicken. That's a very, very good haul of picks + prospects there. Getting 2 other teams was actually a very smart move on their part. And I don't say the word "smart" when talking about the Avs very much anymore.
I also like this trade because it looks like Ottawa gets the worst of it. Broken down its:
Colorado gives up: Matt Duchene
Colorado acquires: OTT 1st-round pick, OTT 3rd-round pick, C Shane Bowers, G Andrew Hammond (from Ottawa); NSH 2nd-round pick, D Samuel Girard, LW Vladislav Kamenev (from Nashville)
Nashville gives up: NSH 2nd-round pick, D Samuel Girard, LW Vladislav Kamenev
Nashville acquires: Kyle Turris
Ottawa gives up: Kyle Turris, OTT 1st-round pick, OTT 3rd-round pick, C Shane Bowers, G Andrew Hammond
So Ottawa trades the equivalent of two 1st round draft picks (Bowers was picked 28th in 2017) plus a 3rd rounder to go from Turris to Duchene? I think that's an upgrade but a very small one.
I also like this trade because it looks like Ottawa gets the worst of it. Broken down its:
Colorado gives up: Matt Duchene
Colorado acquires: OTT 1st-round pick, OTT 3rd-round pick, C Shane Bowers, G Andrew Hammond (from Ottawa); NSH 2nd-round pick, D Samuel Girard, LW Vladislav Kamenev (from Nashville)
Nashville gives up: NSH 2nd-round pick, D Samuel Girard, LW Vladislav Kamenev
Nashville acquires: Kyle Turris
Ottawa gives up: Kyle Turris, OTT 1st-round pick, OTT 3rd-round pick, C Shane Bowers, G Andrew Hammond
So Ottawa trades the equivalent of two 1st round draft picks (Bowers was picked 28th in 2017) plus a 3rd rounder to go from Turris to Duchene? I think that's an upgrade but a very small one.
Nashville still looks pretty weak on their wings after Forsberg and Arvidsson (why on earth did they let James Neal go again). A deal revolving around JVR for Dante Fabbro would bring me so much joy.
bustaheims
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AvroArrow said:
Even still - if you're trading a starting goalie mid-season, you're usually going to the the other team's starter or backup as part of the return. Having Hammond doesn't change that part of the equation. He's really just a contract Ottawa wanted to get rid of that the Avs were willing to absorb.
https://twitter.com/ATFulemin/status/927333247188721665
Andy007
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It's funny, I never seem to understand any of these deals the Sens make but somehow they either work out or don't affect them negatively.
Bishop out for practically nothing and then trading away Lehner, leaving an aging Anderson and Jim Carrey-esque Hammond as their main goalies; taking the entire Phaneuf contract and even giving up a prospect and pick in the process; Zibanejad for Brassard, not to mention the 6 year age gap.
I mean none of these deals make a lick of sense to me. Turris, 1st, 3rd, (late)1st Rnd prospect from 2017 and Hammond for a (potentially) moderate Turris upgrade that has only one additional year on his contract remaining? I don't get it. How is this team not in the cellar right now?
Bishop out for practically nothing and then trading away Lehner, leaving an aging Anderson and Jim Carrey-esque Hammond as their main goalies; taking the entire Phaneuf contract and even giving up a prospect and pick in the process; Zibanejad for Brassard, not to mention the 6 year age gap.
I mean none of these deals make a lick of sense to me. Turris, 1st, 3rd, (late)1st Rnd prospect from 2017 and Hammond for a (potentially) moderate Turris upgrade that has only one additional year on his contract remaining? I don't get it. How is this team not in the cellar right now?